Order lead times?
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Maybe, but I'm fairly particular.
For me, there are four things that are not negotiable:
1) Manual transmission
2) Adaptive sport seats
3) Burmester audio
4) A color that is not black, white, grey or silver.
I'm guessing that this is a very unlikely combination to be sitting on a lot somewhere.
For me, there are four things that are not negotiable:
1) Manual transmission
2) Adaptive sport seats
3) Burmester audio
4) A color that is not black, white, grey or silver.
I'm guessing that this is a very unlikely combination to be sitting on a lot somewhere.
Skip the Burmester, spend that $6k on performance options. Or a 1/3 on your way to a GTS.
Also...
Yeah, you may have some luck finding a car available somewhere in the country, but it will almost certainly not be new. There are plenty of used 992s available (plenty is a relative term- but they're out there), it's just you'll expect to pay near or over MSRP for a new car for the convenience.
I've been waiting for an allocation for what feels like forever and no word... dealer told me it could be as long as a year for delivery and this was back in November. No end in sight so far.
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There might be, but the Burmester is what's holding you back... and by and large popular opinion on these boards is that it is in no way worth the premium. I'm sure it's a great stereo, but a 911 is not a great soundscape and you can't truly enjoy the advantages of a high-end stereo in a mostly uncompromising sports car.
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I get that, but the Bose option is so hideously bad that I cannot bring myself to pay for one again. In my '08 C2s, it was absolutely the worst OEM sound I have ever had in any car I have ever owned, with the possible exception of the AM radio in the Ford Festiva that I had in graduate school. It seems ludicrous to put such an awful piece of garbage into a car that is otherwise incredibly well executed.
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Maybe, but I'm fairly particular.
For me, there are four things that are not negotiable:
1) Manual transmission
2) Adaptive sport seats
3) Burmester audio
4) A color that is not black, white, grey or silver.
I'm guessing that this is a very unlikely combination to be sitting on a lot somewhere.
For me, there are four things that are not negotiable:
1) Manual transmission
2) Adaptive sport seats
3) Burmester audio
4) A color that is not black, white, grey or silver.
I'm guessing that this is a very unlikely combination to be sitting on a lot somewhere.
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I get that, but the Bose option is so hideously bad that I cannot bring myself to pay for one again. In my '08 C2s, it was absolutely the worst OEM sound I have ever had in any car I have ever owned, with the possible exception of the AM radio in the Ford Festiva that I had in graduate school. It seems ludicrous to put such an awful piece of garbage into a car that is otherwise incredibly well executed.
If you search in the 991 forum, there are threads on upgrading a BOSE system. There was a audio guy in Oregon (I think) named Nick that sold upgrade kits. I never got into it, but most guys who did seemed happy with the results.
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100% this. If you've got the spare cash and the patience to wait for a custom order then by all means, indulge yourself... but also don't let your past experience with Bose be an indicator of future performance. I've heard similarly in the early-gens the Bose was terrible. They do evolve, and I can comment specifically around the improvement from a 981 Boxster GTS I had to a 991.2, and also from a 2015 Macan S to a 2020 Macan S. The stereos have gotten MUCH better... Still nothing to impress your friends with but they certainly get the job done, and the $4k or so premium over the Bose for the Burmester is just a tough pill to swallow.
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Maybe I am missing something. We seem too be discussing the option of spec’ing it the way you want and waiting for an allocation vs shopping through he dealer inventory and making some compromises on options. Where is this mythical dealership inventory people are using as an option? There are some rumors that some dealers has a new 992 on their lot that is not a customer ordered car, but maybe we are talking about a very small number of cars and I imagine however few may exist are not sitting on the lots for more than a handful of days. I just don’t see shopping dealer lots as a likely way to score a 911 these days.
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Maybe I am missing something. We seem too be discussing the option of spec’ing it the way you want and waiting for an allocation vs shopping through he dealer inventory and making some compromises on options. Where is this mythical dealership inventory people are using as an option? There are some rumors that some dealers has a new 992 on their lot that is not a customer ordered car, but maybe we are talking about a very small number of cars and I imagine however few may exist are not sitting on the lots for more than a handful of days. I just don’t see shopping dealer lots as a likely way to score a 911 these days.
Hellcats, GT500s, Corvettes, all are long lead, order-only. I will say that I saw a GT500 on a lot, but they clearly are keeping it as a showpiece - ADM at a level making it clear that they have no intention of selling it yet.
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100% this. If you've got the spare cash and the patience to wait for a custom order then by all means, indulge yourself... but also don't let your past experience with Bose be an indicator of future performance. I've heard similarly in the early-gens the Bose was terrible. They do evolve, and I can comment specifically around the improvement from a 981 Boxster GTS I had to a 991.2, and also from a 2015 Macan S to a 2020 Macan S. The stereos have gotten MUCH better... Still nothing to impress your friends with but they certainly get the job done, and the $4k or so premium over the Bose for the Burmester is just a tough pill to swallow.
I still can't get past that the Bose in my C2S sounded FAR worse than the H-Ks in my wife's Mini, our BMW, and my Challenger. I mean a LOT worse. There's just no excuse for any part of a Porsche not being competitive with the same item in a Mini.
BTW, I'm a musician, so it matters to me. Not being able to hear all of the notes because the response has gaps is like not having 3rd gear.
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I was never able to secure a test drive with a Burmester-equipped 992, however I can say this:
Bose in my ‘17 C2 Cab had what I perceived as a noticeable harshness. The 992s I have test driven all had Bose and that harshness seems to have been tuned out.
Bose in my ‘17 C2 Cab had what I perceived as a noticeable harshness. The 992s I have test driven all had Bose and that harshness seems to have been tuned out.
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Maybe I am missing something. We seem too be discussing the option of spec’ing it the way you want and waiting for an allocation vs shopping through he dealer inventory and making some compromises on options. Where is this mythical dealership inventory people are using as an option? There are some rumors that some dealers has a new 992 on their lot that is not a customer ordered car, but maybe we are talking about a very small number of cars and I imagine however few may exist are not sitting on the lots for more than a handful of days. I just don’t see shopping dealer lots as a likely way to score a 911 these days.
https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US
It's only a natural point to touch on in reference to the original topic. But no, there isn't any new inventory and I guess I wasn't clear enough on articulating that.
This is "fool me once...." space for me. I have never heard a Bose anything that hasn't had big gaps and non-linearities in the response, and I just have zero interest in paying $1,700 for something that objectively sounds bad. Given that there is no way to audition one in person, I just cannot trust that it's going to be acceptable. I can't audition the Burmester, either, but I have to believe that it at least gets into the acceptable range.
I still can't get past that the Bose in my C2S sounded FAR worse than the H-Ks in my wife's Mini, our BMW, and my Challenger. I mean a LOT worse. There's just no excuse for any part of a Porsche not being competitive with the same item in a Mini.
BTW, I'm a musician, so it matters to me. Not being able to hear all of the notes because the response has gaps is like not having 3rd gear.
I still can't get past that the Bose in my C2S sounded FAR worse than the H-Ks in my wife's Mini, our BMW, and my Challenger. I mean a LOT worse. There's just no excuse for any part of a Porsche not being competitive with the same item in a Mini.
BTW, I'm a musician, so it matters to me. Not being able to hear all of the notes because the response has gaps is like not having 3rd gear.
.... but it still might just be worth finding someone locally with a 992 (or even a 991...) that you can sit and listen to. Or click that Porsche finder link above and see if there's one within a reasonable driving distance, I'm sure the dealer wouldn't mind letting you sit in it and assess the stereo. If I still had my car I'd be happy to, I'm sure there's someone on here who'd be willing to meet up and let you experience it firsthand. Maybe even a Burmester if you're lucky!
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it’s not really possible to speculate on securing your allocation. They’re readily available at my dealer, but you must be a local buyer. Maybe yours is similar..
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this is likely overly pessimistic, however, you should plan on 9 months for delivery from when your order locks.
it’s not really possible to speculate on securing your allocation. They’re readily available at my dealer, but you must be a local buyer. Maybe yours is similar..
it’s not really possible to speculate on securing your allocation. They’re readily available at my dealer, but you must be a local buyer. Maybe yours is similar..
My order locked about 2 weeks before production. Production was under a week. Car was at the Port of Houston 30 days after production complete.
Around 7 weeks from lock to port.
Was this a PTS/LTS timeline?
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this is likely overly pessimistic, however, you should plan on 9 months for delivery from when your order locks.
it’s not really possible to speculate on securing your allocation. They’re readily available at my dealer, but you must be a local buyer. Maybe yours is similar..
it’s not really possible to speculate on securing your allocation. They’re readily available at my dealer, but you must be a local buyer. Maybe yours is similar..