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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lemonorlime
You're missing the point. I don't want to raise the revs. I could drive on full manual and keep the car always primed but that's not what I'd call a relaxed drive.
No, no offense meant here, but you are missing the point.

The 911 was not designed for city driving in stop and go traffic as you are doing. It was designed for driving fast on long, empty roads which sometimes bend into twisties.

So if you find your daily commute with this car frustrating, you aren't alone. I don't know what to tell you--people say that this car is a great daily driver but I disagree, it's only a great daily driver if most of your commuting is on a highway
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 12:41 PM
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I thnk you have the wrong car. You want torque, but don't want the car to downshift to give you the torque. Honestly, you need an electric car that gives max torque off the line. There are no internal combustion motor cars that can give you what you want. Besides, if you are trying to drive briskly to pass another car, any half decent prod of the accelerator pedal would cause any PDK, DCT or automatic equpped car to downshift... which makes sense b/c lower gears multiplies the torque and gives you the acceleration you are looking for. OTOH, if you are driving a manual and have the car in say 6th gear and you are sitting at 1,750 RPM and want to just mash the throttle to pass another car without actually downshifting, there is no manual equipped car available today that will give you a huge shove of torque in that situation.

I think you need a Tesla or Taycan or any of the many newly released instant torque electric cars.
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 12:53 PM
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I'm afraid this post is going in the wrong direction.
I'm not looking for instant torque overload at 1000RPM.
All I'm saying is that the 991.2 had more torque at low RPM than the 992, granted there were shortcomings in other areas.
So my question for people who have tuned their 992's: do you notice any improvement in the low band?
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tupper
No, no offense meant here, but you are missing the point.

The 911 was not designed for city driving in stop and go traffic as you are doing. It was designed for driving fast on long, empty roads which sometimes bend into twisties.

So if you find your daily commute with this car frustrating, you aren't alone. I don't know what to tell you--people say that this car is a great daily driver but I disagree, it's only a great daily driver if most of your commuting is on a highway
I mean my question was clear to those who have tuned their 992. Pointing out I have the wrong car doesn't add much to the discussion.
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by lemonorlime
I'm afraid this post is going in the wrong direction.
I'm not looking for instant torque overload at 1000RPM.
All I'm saying is that the 991.2 had more torque at low RPM than the 992, granted there were shortcomings in other areas.
So my question for people who have tuned their 992's: do you notice any improvement in the low band?
Didn't you answer this in post #4?
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by por356
Didn't you answer this in post #4?
I couldn't find charts that show data below 2000-2500 and I was only assuming, that's why I'm asking for real life experience.
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 01:35 PM
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Serious question here... why don't you want to have the car downshift to give you acceleration? I don't have a PDK but can you even prevent it from downshifting if you floor the throttle? Seems like getting a tune that voids your warranty is a very extreme manner to get the car to accelerate in a high gear. Why not just drive in full auto mode and mash the throttle for a quick pass?
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AlterZgo
Serious question here... why don't you want to have the car downshift to give you acceleration? I don't have a PDK but can you even prevent it from downshifting if you floor the throttle? Seems like getting a tune that voids your warranty is a very extreme manner to get the car to accelerate in a high gear. Why not just drive in full auto mode and mash the throttle for a quick pass?
Don't get me wrong I'm absolutely loving every minute I'm this car. To answer your question, in moderate traffic you want just enough acceleration to be nimble for the few dozen meters ahead of you, but not aggressive enough that you'll want to slam the brakes. And within that short distance/time, dropping gears will waste time and opportunity.

I might be describing a rare scenario for some, but where I live the traffic pattern and behavior dictates this.
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lemonorlime
Don't get me wrong I'm absolutely loving every minute I'm this car. To answer your question, in moderate traffic you want just enough acceleration to be nimble for the few dozen meters ahead of you, but not aggressive enough that you'll want to slam the brakes. And within that short distance/time, dropping gears will waste time and opportunity.

I might be describing a rare scenario for some, but where I live the traffic pattern and behavior dictates this.
You can't stop the PDK from downshifting in auto-mode but maybe try in manual mode and see if it has the torque you want. Even in manual mode it will down shift automatically if it thinks it needs to to prevent lugging the engine. I have read that some turners are working on tunes that alter the PDK though.

A friend of mine has the M-engineering tune. I'll ask him to see if he can offer any insight.
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by por356
Didn't you answer this in post #4?
With the technical answer in post #8
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 991.1 Guy
Get a C7 Z06. You can take off from a dead stop in 5th gear. A supercharged V8 engine will give you what you are seeking.
I had a C7 Z06. Ball busting torque right off idle.
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CanAutM3
With the technical answer in post #8
While it's technically correct, it doesn't answer my question. The 991 has higher torque than the 992 at low RPM.
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by lemonorlime
I'm afraid this post is going in the wrong direction.
I'm not looking for instant torque overload at 1000RPM.
All I'm saying is that the 991.2 had more torque at low RPM than the 992, granted there were shortcomings in other areas.
So my question for people who have tuned their 992's: do you notice any improvement in the low band?
you don’t want full torque that low. Ideally you want a hp curve and torque curve that is linear with rpm.
too steep and ECU will cut fuel because torque exceed allowable for corresponding rpm or you just spin your tires. Max torque arriving around 3-3500 rpm is best, not earlier.
You don’t want to lug the engine at 1000rpm any way. I found a comfortable cruising RPM is around 2500 rpm, not too loud, then when stoping plenty of oomph to quickly accelerate. This is in sport mode.


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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by lemonorlime
While it's technically correct, it doesn't answer my question. The 991 has higher torque than the 992 at low RPM.
from Porsche or after tune?
porsche may have moved the peak later in rpm range as this is better for throttle control and a little easier on transmission and drive train

for tunes, yes some early Cobb tunes gave ridiculous torque early, you don’t want that as per post above. Some people with PDK had third gear shift hesitation
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 11:56 PM
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Sounds like you bought the wrong car.

Or at least the wrong generation 911 (991.2) or even the wrong trim (992 TTS).
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