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Wow! Can't believe the reluctance to track just about any non SUV Porsche. I have tracked and Ax'ed every Porsche I've owned for the last 16+ years, from Cayman S, to Turbo S, to GT3/GT3 RS and GT4 and worked my way through he ranks to PCA instructor. They are all great cars and a ton of fun at the track. There is a risk of course, but manageable, and I do purchase track insurance. If you want to get serious, go racing, but for the most part just brake pads and fluid are all you need to exercise your P-car in a relatively safe environment. Far better than being a jackass on the street, we all know how that ends.. I have a 22 GTS on order and can't wait to take it to the track. Track your GTS!!
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Almost ready. MX5 Cup car. 87K all in, Sadev sequential gearbox, AIM data and smartycam, transponder, coms, pit lane limiter. Not included, seat, belts, livery wrap, extra wheels and tires.
Cheap to repair, relatively speaking. This will be the track toy with the 22' Carrera GTS seeing a couple days a year just to give her some exercise.
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ive done lots of track days over the years. There's a big difference in the ware and tear on the car by how its driven . Been out with guys that beat the sh-t out of the car . Bouncing off the rev limiter every shift, no rev matching on downshifts, hitting every curb. If you just want to play with the car in a safe environment you can without beating on the car. i was doing 2k track miles a year basically brakes,tires and alignment was it . also a good idea to tape or protect the best you can for stone chips.
The most important thing is to run with people you trust no egos or kids with a salvage title mustang and nothing to louse ..Also stay away from $100 track days with 25 cars in a run group! carl
The most important thing is to run with people you trust no egos or kids with a salvage title mustang and nothing to louse ..Also stay away from $100 track days with 25 cars in a run group! carl
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Wow! Can't believe the reluctance to track just about any non SUV Porsche. I have tracked and Ax'ed every Porsche I've owned for the last 16+ years, from Cayman S, to Turbo S, to GT3/GT3 RS and GT4 and worked my way through he ranks to PCA instructor. They are all great cars and a ton of fun at the track. There is a risk of course, but manageable, and I do purchase track insurance. If you want to get serious, go racing, but for the most part just brake pads and fluid are all you need to exercise your P-car in a relatively safe environment. Far better than being a jackass on the street, we all know how that ends.. I have a 22 GTS on order and can't wait to take it to the track. Track your GTS!!
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Sorry to hear, I took my Boxster upto Thunderhill a few times without insurance. Now with my C2 I'm hesitant about track days and the insurance is pretty pricey. No advice on allocations but I had questions about your underinsurance, any specifics you could share (or via DM)? Did you put a lower value? How are you planning to insure your next car?
Turn 15, did you run wide, overcorrect and steer right? Super unfortunate
Turn 15, did you run wide, overcorrect and steer right? Super unfortunate
Hey luckycannine!
You betcha! Just caught maybe 18" or so of the dirt off the drivers side as you come around and that was enough to aim me directly at the tirewall by the exit. Yeah that sucked. My wife had to drive out to Willows to pick me up and then I had to admit to underinsuring my ***. She was really not happy when I told her I was underinsured. I will have to fully insure whatever track vehicle I get. Yes, I am aware what that means, but if I want back out on the track that is the cost.
OK so... my C4 was insured for $20k and after all was said and done my repairs were $36k, so basically $16k out of my personal funds to cover my under and I lost the use of my Porsche for damn near 6 months.
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Almost ready. MX5 Cup car. 87K all in, Sadev sequential gearbox, AIM data and smartycam, transponder, coms, pit lane limiter. Not included, seat, belts, livery wrap, extra wheels and tires.
Cheap to repair, relatively speaking. This will be the track toy with the 22' Carrera GTS seeing a couple days a year just to give her some exercise.
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Harness Bar? That's one of the most dangerous things you can put in a car with racing shell seats. If your car rolls over and the roof comes down, you're dead with a crushed skull or broken neck. Racing seats are solid shell, and will not collapse like an adjustable street seat where the back pivots. Any time you put a 1-piece solid shell seat in a car you automatically need a roll bar at the very least and a cage is preferred, otherwise your helmeted head becomes the highest point in the car and the fulcrum point in a crash. Harness bars are kind of OK for autocross just to hold you in the seat and for street seats only because those are generally low speed events. These three things always go together when you add one, you must add all. 1) Racing Seat 2) Five or Six Point Harness 3) Roll bar or Cage.
Forget the tune and buy R-Compound tires and lightweight wheels.
Personally I don't get buying a brand new car for track duty, unless you are so wealthy that a couple hundred thousand means nothing. Any street car is a poor track-dedicated car. Ideally you want a tube frame ex-race car, so panel replacements and crashes are easy to fix, something as light as possible, sticky tires and wheel sets (plus one set for the rain) and with all the safety equipment in it including a fire control system. Then a truck and trailer to haul it to the track. So many better choices out there than a new 992.
Forget the tune and buy R-Compound tires and lightweight wheels.
Personally I don't get buying a brand new car for track duty, unless you are so wealthy that a couple hundred thousand means nothing. Any street car is a poor track-dedicated car. Ideally you want a tube frame ex-race car, so panel replacements and crashes are easy to fix, something as light as possible, sticky tires and wheel sets (plus one set for the rain) and with all the safety equipment in it including a fire control system. Then a truck and trailer to haul it to the track. So many better choices out there than a new 992.
drcollie, I totally agree on the harness bar bit. I guess I just don't respond when the idea is so bad it needs to be explained back to the poster. Also I agree on the seat, cage , harness, a dedicated R compound wheel set. Why, yes to all these things.
All my HPDE is done through PCA and I want to be able to drive to the track and put on my other tires and go. I dont want to go the hauler route although it opens me up to cup cars. Gee, now that IS interesting. As mentioned a GT3 allocation probably ain't happening so its either go used or get an allocation for an S variant, as I see it. Have you checked out the used market? I am kidding of course, it doesn't exist. As far as I am concerned new is the only real choice. That means allocations.
My choices are wait two years and maybe get a GT3 or wait a year and get an S variant.
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If the intent is to push the car and have fun without the threat of a speeding ticket then the track is a great venue. If you are serious about racing and putting the car to the limit of your ability then I dont think a brand new car is the best option unless money is totally not a consideration.
So... Money can't buy happiness but have you ever seen a sad guy in a race car?
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Harness Bar? That's one of the most dangerous things you can put in a car with racing shell seats. If your car rolls over and the roof comes down, you're dead with a crushed skull or broken neck. Racing seats are solid shell, and will not collapse like an adjustable street seat where the back pivots. Any time you put a 1-piece solid shell seat in a car you automatically need a roll bar at the very least and a cage is preferred, otherwise your helmeted head becomes the highest point in the car and the fulcrum point in a crash. Harness bars are kind of OK for autocross just to hold you in the seat and for street seats only because those are generally low speed events. These three things always go together when you add one, you must add all. 1) Racing Seat 2) Five or Six Point Harness 3) Roll bar or Cage....
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This is the type of harness bar I'm talking about. https://shop.gmgracing.com/products/...arness-rollbar
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There are three types of people that do HPDE events.
The beginner who is looking to experience what track driving is like under the supervision of a seasoned instructor and eventually became a solo driver.
The seasoned veteran/instructor who has been racing and doing HPDEs for many years and knows the difference between the two and while he has wrecked in a race he/she has never wrecked at HPDE because he know HPDEs aren't racing so what's the point of crashing.
And the third type who does HPDE events and thinks he is racing and totals his car.
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Sorry to hear about your off track excursion. Also glad to hear you're ready to get back in. Track driving I believe makes us all better drivers by increasing our situational awareness and our car control skills. If you're just looking to a have fun and become a better driver, an S will be just fine. Be prepared to add pads and fluid straight off; tires later, suspension bits maybe later to get a more track focused alignment as you progress. For those recommending PCCB for tracking, I strongly advise against it. Steel brakes work just fine and don't have the consumable cost penalty. Agree with others that a 2WD variant is more ideal for reasons stated.
The only thing to really think about is you really believe you will get in deep with tracking, maybe consider a used GT3 instead. It is turnkey for experienced track drivers out of the box and it won't be death by 1000 cuts as you need to upgrade an S/4S.
PCA GGR is a great group and they run a solid program. I also heard a rumor recently that Reno Fernley is going to be refurbished and reopened soon so there's that for you.
Sorry to hear about your off track excursion. Also glad to hear you're ready to get back in. Track driving I believe makes us all better drivers by increasing our situational awareness and our car control skills. If you're just looking to a have fun and become a better driver, an S will be just fine. Be prepared to add pads and fluid straight off; tires later, suspension bits maybe later to get a more track focused alignment as you progress. For those recommending PCCB for tracking, I strongly advise against it. Steel brakes work just fine and don't have the consumable cost penalty. Agree with others that a 2WD variant is more ideal for reasons stated.
The only thing to really think about is you really believe you will get in deep with tracking, maybe consider a used GT3 instead. It is turnkey for experienced track drivers out of the box and it won't be death by 1000 cuts as you need to upgrade an S/4S.
PCA GGR is a great group and they run a solid program. I also heard a rumor recently that Reno Fernley is going to be refurbished and reopened soon so there's that for you.
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It has become apparent that the new PCCB pads being installed are manufactured to meet certain requirements to meet California legislation required less than 0.5% copper in them. This has greatly inhibited their performance and caused them to be a "dusty" pad and owners have reported severe fading on track. I am not sure if this translates into Iron brakes but it is something to take into consideration if you choose to go PCCB.
Fading PCCB pads and dust
Can you option sport buckets out of the GT3? That would be the one "must have" option for me. Although it is fun ripping the big heavy leather seats out and putting in a nice lightweight racing bucket on a brand new car.
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Fading PCCB pads and dust
Can you option sport buckets out of the GT3? That would be the one "must have" option for me. Although it is fun ripping the big heavy leather seats out and putting in a nice lightweight racing bucket on a brand new car.
Shameless plug, no matter what brakes you go with we can help you get setup for the track
--Aaron
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