Front Axle Lift
12-19-2021, 12:42 PM
#16
I know everything is about cost, but if you can remove that from the equation for a moment I leave this argument. Admittedly I can probably traverse just about anything I come up to at an angle or carefully and find a way to do it without scraping. The beautiful part about FAL is I don't have to stop and do all that every single time. Like when I come home, yes I can take my driveway at an angle, great, but I have to go slow and be careful. Now with FAL I don't even have to think about it. Factor that into the value of my time every single time the car ever leaves or arrives at my house and it becomes a no brainer. Let alone anywhere else the car may go? Net net, it is a massive convenience at a minimum.
I would also add…ever been behind one of those guys trying to angle their car at the entrance to a parking garage bump/dip? Recently happened to me on my way into the airport parking garage..I was close to missing my flight and had presents to deliver. 🙏
Don’t be one of “those guys”.
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12-19-2021, 01:12 PM
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AlterZgo's photos show that his vehicle (with SPASM) can handle about a 16% grade change without scraping, which is very large grade change. That's like going from a flat surface to a 6H:1V up slope (3' to center of wheel and 6" rise a spoiler lip). This does assume the car is a rigid body, which it isn't, but I rounded down so 16% so it's a good approximation.
Most modern driveways will not be anywhere near this limit but older construction may be. For left hand drive countries, turning right into a driveway is usually not an issue since you take it more slowly and at an angle. Turning left in to a driveway can be an issue at steep drives because you tend to drive faster to beat the oncoming traffic and your approach angle is near perpendicular - in fact this scenario is the only time I ever scraped on my Boxster S. I have yet to scrape spoiler on my 992 Base.
Most modern driveways will not be anywhere near this limit but older construction may be. For left hand drive countries, turning right into a driveway is usually not an issue since you take it more slowly and at an angle. Turning left in to a driveway can be an issue at steep drives because you tend to drive faster to beat the oncoming traffic and your approach angle is near perpendicular - in fact this scenario is the only time I ever scraped on my Boxster S. I have yet to scrape spoiler on my 992 Base.
12-19-2021, 01:18 PM
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I would also add…ever been behind one of those guys trying to angle their car at the entrance to a parking garage bump/dip? Recently happened to me on my way into the airport parking garage..I was close to missing my flight and had presents to deliver. 🙏
Don’t be one of “those guys”.
Don’t be one of “those guys”.
AlterZgo's photos show that his vehicle (with SPASM) can handle about a 16% grade change without scraping, which is very large grade change. That's like going from a flat surface to a 6H:1V up slope (3' to center of wheel and 6" rise a spoiler lip). This does assume the car is a rigid body, which it isn't, but I rounded down so 16% so it's a good approximation.
Most modern driveways will not be anywhere near this limit but older construction may be. For left hand drive countries, turning right into a driveway is usually not an issue since you take it more slowly and at an angle. Turning left in to a driveway can be an issue at steep drives because you tend to drive faster to beat the oncoming traffic and your approach angle is near perpendicular - in fact this scenario is the only time I ever scraped on my Boxster S. I have yet to scrape spoiler on my 992 Base.
Most modern driveways will not be anywhere near this limit but older construction may be. For left hand drive countries, turning right into a driveway is usually not an issue since you take it more slowly and at an angle. Turning left in to a driveway can be an issue at steep drives because you tend to drive faster to beat the oncoming traffic and your approach angle is near perpendicular - in fact this scenario is the only time I ever scraped on my Boxster S. I have yet to scrape spoiler on my 992 Base.
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12-19-2021, 01:37 PM
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In the hills and mountains of the Northeast a greater than 16% grade change from street to driveways is common. My driveway is 20+%, other houses nearby are worst. The need for FAL is all about where you live and deal with day to day.
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12-19-2021, 03:16 PM
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I also use my FAL for the occasional parking place where the curb, or parking block, is sitting too high and would otherwise scrape the front of my 992 with SPASM. It's convenient to have, so add it if you can swallow the incremental cost.
12-19-2021, 03:23 PM
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Please note you should always lower FAL before switching off the engine. It's not meant to be in the up position with engine off. Yes, I occasionally forget as well. They should have designed it so that it lowers it automatically not only above 38mph but when engine is switched off...I guess version 1.1...
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12-19-2021, 03:31 PM
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Also, surround view is good for avoiding parking bumpers, bollards and the like. I would never go without surround view.
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12-19-2021, 03:41 PM
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Please note you should always lower FAL before switching off the engine. It's not meant to be in the up position with engine off. Yes, I occasionally forget as well. They should have designed it so that it lowers it automatically not only above 38mph but when engine is switched off...I guess version 1.1...
12-19-2021, 03:48 PM
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Nope
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12-19-2021, 06:55 PM
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Page 113 of Good To Know,
NOTICE:
"
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In this particular system, the holding position cannot be maintained at the upper position for an extended period of time
-> Always park the vehicle in the lowered position"
siberian
NOTICE:
"
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In this particular system, the holding position cannot be maintained at the upper position for an extended period of time
-> Always park the vehicle in the lowered position"
siberian
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12-19-2021, 08:11 PM
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Thank you for your reply. What if there aren't any obstacle under the bumper when it lowers itself after extended period of time. Leaving the car raised somehow damage the FAL system? My C2S with FAL is arriving in 10 days.
12-19-2021, 10:08 PM
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I'm assuming you mean if you forget rather than "if there's nothing for it to hit when it lowers should it do it by itself, why bother lowering it".
I've forgotten several times and no damage was caused. Having said this, there's a reason this was clearly stated.
FAL is an electro/hydraulic system and I thus assume the pump/electric motor is not designed to be activated over long periods of time (repeatedly). If it happens a few times will your car suffer damage? No. However done on an regular basis yes, I believe it will cause undue wear on components such as battery drain, hydraulic seals etc.
Should Porsche not have programmed automatic lowering when engine is turned off? Yes, BUT what if you are parked exceptionally over a drain pipe or other?
While you're waiting, read up and become familiar with your car (loads of great info on Rennlist) and GL with your new C2S, FAL is at the top of my "likes".
siberian
I've forgotten several times and no damage was caused. Having said this, there's a reason this was clearly stated.
FAL is an electro/hydraulic system and I thus assume the pump/electric motor is not designed to be activated over long periods of time (repeatedly). If it happens a few times will your car suffer damage? No. However done on an regular basis yes, I believe it will cause undue wear on components such as battery drain, hydraulic seals etc.
Should Porsche not have programmed automatic lowering when engine is turned off? Yes, BUT what if you are parked exceptionally over a drain pipe or other?
While you're waiting, read up and become familiar with your car (loads of great info on Rennlist) and GL with your new C2S, FAL is at the top of my "likes".
siberian
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12-19-2021, 10:30 PM
#29
Really good reading material in that owner’s manual too!
12-19-2021, 11:23 PM
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