great video for the "Should I get PCCB's" questioning type...
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#2
This is actually a great video with a fairly convincing set of arguments. He's nearly got me reassessing my dont-bother, waste-of-money position on PCCB. I won't, because my GTS build is already pushing 180, but a good watch nonetheless. Thanks for sharing.
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#3
Brake dust alone is enough for me to get PCCB's (I don't currently have them). The amount of brake dust I am constantly cleaning off my wheels is just silly, and I have fought this battle since the early 1990's with my cars. hearing that PCCB's don't generate nearly as much brake dust is enough for me to shell out the money.
Anyone looking to switch from PCCB's to steel (992 S here) let me know - I'll even throw in cash
Anyone looking to switch from PCCB's to steel (992 S here) let me know - I'll even throw in cash
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#6
I get my Targa 4 next week, so too late for me, obviously. But I am regretting not looking into this more. It's a heavy price tag, but If I do a mod after delivery, and it makes sense mechanically, I might make a switch. Just wondering what's out there for after-market ceramics, what else is needed in the brake system, and whether there's a market for lightly used Porsche Iron brake assemblies.
#7
On the street, or mostly on the street, I see no (logical) reason for the ceramics. Dust is almost a non-issue with black or dark-colored rims. If I was racing the car, i get it…but for the street, or an occasional track day, I would put my $10-$12K into a power mod, or other mods to the car that I would immediately feel, or hear.
That aside, i have a good college buddy who tracks his car almost every weekend during the Summer and Fall. Costs him about $40-$60K per season, for routine maintenance and track fees, etc. . Although he’s currently putting in a dry sump to one of his cars that is costing him big bucks (need one when driving hard and pulling G’s for prolonged periods on the track). When I asked him during my build whether I should opt for the ceramics, he emphatically said., “don’t need them…I run every week and I don’t have them and don’t see the need. I have no fading issues with the steel. so the casual tracker won’t really benefit to justify the added cost”. Granted, just one person’s opinion…but short of being a professional race car driver, he tracks his two Porsche’s more than anybody I know.
That aside, i have a good college buddy who tracks his car almost every weekend during the Summer and Fall. Costs him about $40-$60K per season, for routine maintenance and track fees, etc. . Although he’s currently putting in a dry sump to one of his cars that is costing him big bucks (need one when driving hard and pulling G’s for prolonged periods on the track). When I asked him during my build whether I should opt for the ceramics, he emphatically said., “don’t need them…I run every week and I don’t have them and don’t see the need. I have no fading issues with the steel. so the casual tracker won’t really benefit to justify the added cost”. Granted, just one person’s opinion…but short of being a professional race car driver, he tracks his two Porsche’s more than anybody I know.
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#8
I'm not sure what black wheels you've had, but all black wheels I've had are the absolute worst. For context though, I'm the type of guy that likes the inside of the wheels to be clean too. And anyone who own's a Porsche with drilled rotors also knows the pain of the brake dust draining out in a dark slurry and being spun to the inside of the wheel right after you wash them. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Whaddayagonado?
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I'm not sure what black wheels you've had, but all black wheels I've had are the absolute worst. For context though, I'm the type of guy that likes the inside of the wheels to be clean too. And anyone who own's a Porsche with drilled rotors also knows the pain of the brake dust draining out in a dark slurry and being spun to the inside of the wheel right after you wash them. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Whaddayagonado?
OK, I’ve not owned black rims. Since the brake dust is sort of charcoal color, didn’t think it would be that noticeable on black rims. Certainly less noticeable than on silver.
#10
Getting PCCB does not prevent brake dust anymore:
https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...ispreloading=1
I have concluded that PCCB for a base car makes no sense because the calipers are lighter, and the rotors are much smaller and lighter than a GTS, Turbo, or GTx.
IMO PCCB benefit marginal compared to an S (especially with aftermarket lightweight 2 piece rotors with an aluminum hat, as noted below).
In other words, the delta of decreased rotating and unsprung weight for the base car is a far worse cost to benefit ratio vs PCCB for the aforementioned models.
...and in the unlikely event there is brake fade in a base car not alleviated by racing brake fluid and semimetallic pads, aftermarket rotors that weigh about the same as an S rotor, but with greater fade resistance because of better cooling and two-piece construction is available at a fraction of the cost of PCCB.
Addendum: agree, excellent video, I learn from his YouTube videos regularly.
https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...ispreloading=1
I have concluded that PCCB for a base car makes no sense because the calipers are lighter, and the rotors are much smaller and lighter than a GTS, Turbo, or GTx.
IMO PCCB benefit marginal compared to an S (especially with aftermarket lightweight 2 piece rotors with an aluminum hat, as noted below).
In other words, the delta of decreased rotating and unsprung weight for the base car is a far worse cost to benefit ratio vs PCCB for the aforementioned models.
...and in the unlikely event there is brake fade in a base car not alleviated by racing brake fluid and semimetallic pads, aftermarket rotors that weigh about the same as an S rotor, but with greater fade resistance because of better cooling and two-piece construction is available at a fraction of the cost of PCCB.
Addendum: agree, excellent video, I learn from his YouTube videos regularly.
Last edited by Tompoodie; 12-17-2021 at 04:29 PM. Reason: see addendum
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#11
Getting PCCB does not prevent brake dust anymore:
https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...ispreloading=1
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https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...ispreloading=1
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#12
I did, and gleaned that the pad composition has changed and unless one changes to 991 era pads, that you may have the problem. If not now, then potentially in the future. It is certainly not a dealbreaker, and for anyone getting a large brake car, as noted above, the rotating and unsprung weight is so prodigious, if I were going that route, I would either go PCCB, or out of warranty period, an after market carbon ceramic supplier.
The new PCCB pad dust issue, variable though it may be from owner to owner, is one negative.
Many in that thread seemed very grateful to be learning of the potential issue, even though it man fact only be a potential issue for a few.
Point taken, my characterization was shall we say un-nuanced.
The new PCCB pad dust issue, variable though it may be from owner to owner, is one negative.
Many in that thread seemed very grateful to be learning of the potential issue, even though it man fact only be a potential issue for a few.
Point taken, my characterization was shall we say un-nuanced.
#13
Again, don’t think you read it all. Many owners in the GT3 forum have taken delivery of their 992 GT3s, with zero PCCB issues. The OP of that thread surmised that he may have gotten bad pads.
#14
Is there really anything in that video that folks who have owned and/or decided to spec PCCBs, based on due diligence, didn't already know?
And I say this being a big fan of Jason Fenske, especially his video on the PSCB.
And I say this being a big fan of Jason Fenske, especially his video on the PSCB.
#15
I won't make that mistake again.