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Old 12-16-2021 | 09:53 PM
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Old 12-16-2021 | 10:37 PM
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This is actually a great video with a fairly convincing set of arguments. He's nearly got me reassessing my dont-bother, waste-of-money position on PCCB. I won't, because my GTS build is already pushing 180, but a good watch nonetheless. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 12-17-2021 | 10:12 AM
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Brake dust alone is enough for me to get PCCB's (I don't currently have them). The amount of brake dust I am constantly cleaning off my wheels is just silly, and I have fought this battle since the early 1990's with my cars. hearing that PCCB's don't generate nearly as much brake dust is enough for me to shell out the money.

Anyone looking to switch from PCCB's to steel (992 S here) let me know - I'll even throw in cash
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Old 12-17-2021 | 10:14 AM
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Old 12-17-2021 | 11:47 AM
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I somewhat wish I had considered them. And gone with Yellow belts an other interior accents to bring it all together.
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Old 12-17-2021 | 01:12 PM
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I get my Targa 4 next week, so too late for me, obviously. But I am regretting not looking into this more. It's a heavy price tag, but If I do a mod after delivery, and it makes sense mechanically, I might make a switch. Just wondering what's out there for after-market ceramics, what else is needed in the brake system, and whether there's a market for lightly used Porsche Iron brake assemblies.
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On the street, or mostly on the street, I see no (logical) reason for the ceramics. Dust is almost a non-issue with black or dark-colored rims. If I was racing the car, i get it…but for the street, or an occasional track day, I would put my $10-$12K into a power mod, or other mods to the car that I would immediately feel, or hear.

That aside, i have a good college buddy who tracks his car almost every weekend during the Summer and Fall. Costs him about $40-$60K per season, for routine maintenance and track fees, etc. . Although he’s currently putting in a dry sump to one of his cars that is costing him big bucks (need one when driving hard and pulling G’s for prolonged periods on the track). When I asked him during my build whether I should opt for the ceramics, he emphatically said., “don’t need them…I run every week and I don’t have them and don’t see the need. I have no fading issues with the steel. so the casual tracker won’t really benefit to justify the added cost”. Granted, just one person’s opinion…but short of being a professional race car driver, he tracks his two Porsche’s more than anybody I know.
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Originally Posted by CodyBigdog
Dust is almost a non-issue with black or dark-colored rims.
I'm not sure what black wheels you've had, but all black wheels I've had are the absolute worst. For context though, I'm the type of guy that likes the inside of the wheels to be clean too. And anyone who own's a Porsche with drilled rotors also knows the pain of the brake dust draining out in a dark slurry and being spun to the inside of the wheel right after you wash them. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Whaddayagonado?
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Originally Posted by brockbr
I'm not sure what black wheels you've had, but all black wheels I've had are the absolute worst. For context though, I'm the type of guy that likes the inside of the wheels to be clean too. And anyone who own's a Porsche with drilled rotors also knows the pain of the brake dust draining out in a dark slurry and being spun to the inside of the wheel right after you wash them. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Whaddayagonado?

OK, I’ve not owned black rims. Since the brake dust is sort of charcoal color, didn’t think it would be that noticeable on black rims. Certainly less noticeable than on silver.
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Getting PCCB does not prevent brake dust anymore:
https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...ispreloading=1

I have concluded that PCCB for a base car makes no sense because the calipers are lighter, and the rotors are much smaller and lighter than a GTS, Turbo, or GTx.
IMO PCCB benefit marginal compared to an S (especially with aftermarket lightweight 2 piece rotors with an aluminum hat, as noted below).

In other words, the delta of decreased rotating and unsprung weight for the base car is a far worse cost to benefit ratio vs PCCB for the aforementioned models.
...and in the unlikely event there is brake fade in a base car not alleviated by racing brake fluid and semimetallic pads, aftermarket rotors that weigh about the same as an S rotor, but with greater fade resistance because of better cooling and two-piece construction is available at a fraction of the cost of PCCB.

Addendum: agree, excellent video, I learn from his YouTube videos regularly.

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Old 12-17-2021 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tompoodie
Getting PCCB does not prevent brake dust anymore:
https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...ispreloading=1
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I’m guessing you didn’t read all the way to the end of that thread. OPs situation was an outlier. Most other new 992 GT3 owners are having no such problems.
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I did, and gleaned that the pad composition has changed and unless one changes to 991 era pads, that you may have the problem. If not now, then potentially in the future. It is certainly not a dealbreaker, and for anyone getting a large brake car, as noted above, the rotating and unsprung weight is so prodigious, if I were going that route, I would either go PCCB, or out of warranty period, an after market carbon ceramic supplier.

The new PCCB pad dust issue, variable though it may be from owner to owner, is one negative.
Many in that thread seemed very grateful to be learning of the potential issue, even though it man fact only be a potential issue for a few.

Point taken, my characterization was shall we say un-nuanced.
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Originally Posted by Tompoodie
I did, and gleaned that the pad composition has changed and unless one changes to 991 era pads, that you may have the problem.
Again, don’t think you read it all. Many owners in the GT3 forum have taken delivery of their 992 GT3s, with zero PCCB issues. The OP of that thread surmised that he may have gotten bad pads.
Old 12-17-2021 | 11:25 PM
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Is there really anything in that video that folks who have owned and/or decided to spec PCCBs, based on due diligence, didn't already know?

And I say this being a big fan of Jason Fenske, especially his video on the PSCB.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
Again, don’t think you read it all. Many owners in the GT3 forum have taken delivery of their 992 GT3s, with zero PCCB issues. The OP of that thread surmised that he may have gotten bad pads.
Oops! you're absolutely right. I read that thread as far as I read it which at the time was the end, and then did not check back to see that there were in fact more posts.
I won't make that mistake again.


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