Archimedes

Save yourself some time and just light 15 $100 bills on fire.

siberian

Appreciate your thoughts, but just because it ain't made in Germany doesn't make it crap anymore than having it made in Germany is a recipe for perfection.

siberian

drcollie

When you get it, can you show us photos of it on the car before the body shop guy starts working on it? I'm curious to see if this sort of product has improved over the years. Saw a lot of this sort of thing in BMW world before and all the cheap stuff on EBAY was crap back then, maybe you'll get lucky. Will be interesting to follow.

siberian

As I said, I've asked for more details. Just not willing to condemn simply because it's not made in Germany or bought from a "usual" OEM/VAR

siberian

JiminyGlick

I really dont like the aerokit and ducktails are usually not my thing, but I can get on board with this one. I like how "sleek" it looks for the rest of the lines of the car - I don't think the aerokit does that. However, I will say that if you expect me to hand over $1500, you need to have better quality pics than what the listing shows. I don't see a pic from above and I'd like something closer that shows the lines where the bill meets the rest of the car. It makes me think that some of these pics are more CGI than anything else. If they improve their pictures, I might be a buyer.

siberian

Fully agree it needs a lot more pictures and detail as to how this fits seamlessly onto the 992. In the meantime, I have just received a PM from the person who bought this and (he prefers to leave his name etc. hidden) he's very disappointed with what he received. He's in contact with Future Design given the poor fit and specifically

"However, the way this spoiler is mounted requires a very precise fit. Any gaps or imperfections would not only leave gaps, but also cause a potential safety hazard if not mounted securely. If you are not familiar with how this mounted, you may not know that that the back "lip" of the stock mounting bracket has to slip into the rear "pocket-lip" of the spoiler. If that does not fit snugly/precisely, the spoiler will "wiggle" and could potentially slip out.". He doesn't recommend a GB or purchase at this time.

I've not received a reply from Future Design and buyer doesn't want to sully their name while this is being resolved. He will forward as this moves along and I will post if I hear from them. For now it doesn't seem worth buying.

Stay tuned.

siberian

Archimedes

Yeah, except there's plenty of evidence of problems with stuff like this coming from China and Taiwan. Go search the 718 forum for the guy that spent thousands on GT4 bodywork from China made out of 'high quality ABS', only to receive fiberglass garbage that went in the trash. And he had to also eat hundreds in shipping costs. If I had a nickel for every time I read something like that, I'd have a lot of nickels. I had my own bad experience buying moto race bodywork out of China years back. Like I said, save the time and just burn the money.

drcollie

Agreed. Experience is a hard teacher. It's the reason I buy high quality Snap-On tools instead of Harbor Freight, and HRE wheels instead of inexpensive cast wheels, Hancock & Moore leather upholstery instead of Ashley.

It can even be tricky to get a Porsche spoiler to fit on another Porsche that didn't have it as OEM. My 1996 993 C4S I had a long time ago I fitted a Porsche OEM Turbo lid/spoiler on it from a 1997 993 Turbo and I fiddled with that fit in the garage for hours and it never was quite as perfect as I wanted it. The way the back end of a 911 comes together there is a lot of complexity in lines and curves back there and any misfit really stands out. It pays in the long run to get the highest quality part you can to start with, especially on cars as pricey as what we drive.

Do I really care if you buy Chinese-made bodywork for your 992? Not really, it doesn't affect me personally. Just trying to help you from making a mistake based on experience is all - that's what car guys do.

phaser

Absolutely spot on. Anyone who has been around automotive stuff like this for decades will advise against using cheap Asian scrap especially on a new high priced German performance vehicle.
Go buy a power tool at Harbor Freight, you'll get the idea real quick and may even be injured using it as a cheap *** friend of mine was.

siberian

Years ago folks laughed about Japanese products. Today ALL and if not ALL the 90% of all semi conductors come from Taiwan or Asia, so you going to junk you iPhones etc.? This kind of blatant (racist) BS for what happened to a neighbors' friend's cousin 25 years ago is what drives a lot of these comments. Not saying that a lot of stuff coming out of the region isn't sub par any more than plenty of stuff coming out of Germany is way over engineered and over priced.

I've entered this thread as what looked like, IMHO of course, a nicer design than a table that P is asking over 6 grand for. It seems that a person who has ordered has had various quality issues with it and is (hopefully) sorting it out. If he doesn't I'll post as a warning but will continue to search for Duck Tail for my 992 at a reasonable price with a quality finish. However I will not dismiss all products because they come from Asia just because they do or someone 20 years ago or last year had a bad experience. Thousands of companies in Asia produce millions of products - some good some bad. Caveat Emptor on the quality and finish but not just on on its point of origin.

siberian

Archimedes

[QUOTE=siberian;17844200]Years ago folks laughed about Japanese products. Today ALL and if not ALL the 90% of all semi conductors come from Taiwan or Asia, so you going to junk you iPhones etc.? /QUOTE]

Setting aside the fact that most of those chips are manufactured using U.S. and European technology, you can't see the difference between buying high quality/high priced semiconductors from TSMC and buying low priced bodywork from unknown company on eBay? You think someone who pauses on the latter is racist?

Why don't you order one of those high quality, Chinese made TaylorMade drivers for $150 off of Wish.com. I mean they say TaylorMade on them and look just like the real thing, they must be good. Watch to the end...

siberian

What I do see is that you can criticize without involving racial overtones of gulags and condemning an entire country with hundreds of thousands of companies because a certain percentage of them produce rubbish. Again feel free to criticize on the merits and failings of a product rather than insult an entire country. And oh yeah American and European design of chips but they're still made in Malaysia, Taiwan etc. which is what goes into your iPhone not the sheet it's specced on. OK moving on

siberian

Archimedes

And again a mod removes posts that don't violate TOS simply because they don't like them. Moderating on this forum is unique to say the least.

Archimedes

...using manufacturing technology designed and owned by ASML, a Dutch company. None of the Asian countries currently possess high quality lithography technology. But again, this has nothing to do with buying stuff off eBay from an overseas company you've never heard off. That's a risky proposition, as it seems another Rennlister found out the hard way.

Carlo_Carrera

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