Some input on options
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Some input on options
UPDATE:
I've been given a ton of awesome insight. One of the concerns that was brought up was optioning a base 992 up to near 140k which is well approaching S/4S territory. From a future buyer's and value point of view, it would be easy to consider other higher trim options when it's time to sell.
Furthermore, If I buy my absolute dream car at 28 with every option ticked, that leaves nothing for me to work towards in the future.
I stripped out some non essentials and got my build down to a hair under 120.
- Kept Chalk exterior (Also considering Guard's Red)
- Dropped the Black/Red interior and went with the mid trim leather seats. Went with the 4 way Sports Plus Seats. They aren't the full leather seats but I found some pictures of the full leather and they look just a bit mature for my taste.
- Dropped PSE, kept SC, went with just the sports tips in High Gloss Black
- Dumped AC, I have a Tesla that I daily drive with full Auto Pilot so why have it in both cars?
- Got rid of Aluminum trim, going to stick with the factory trim and potentially have it vinyl wrapped down the line if I hate it
- Left Sport Design Front off for now, still up in the air about it
Few variables I can go either way on:
- Go Guards Red, save 3k+ and put that towards SD Front (Total stays ~120k)
- Keep Chalk, add SD front, add Spyder design wheels (+3500, +3500 bringing total to roughly 127k)
- Guards Red exterior, no SD front, add GR seat belts to add some flavor to the interior (-3500, +500, bringing total to ~117k)
POTENTIAL NEW BUILD HERE :
http://www.porsche-code.com/PNXHCSR5
Code is PNXHCSR5
I've been given a ton of awesome insight. One of the concerns that was brought up was optioning a base 992 up to near 140k which is well approaching S/4S territory. From a future buyer's and value point of view, it would be easy to consider other higher trim options when it's time to sell.
Furthermore, If I buy my absolute dream car at 28 with every option ticked, that leaves nothing for me to work towards in the future.
I stripped out some non essentials and got my build down to a hair under 120.
- Kept Chalk exterior (Also considering Guard's Red)
- Dropped the Black/Red interior and went with the mid trim leather seats. Went with the 4 way Sports Plus Seats. They aren't the full leather seats but I found some pictures of the full leather and they look just a bit mature for my taste.
- Dropped PSE, kept SC, went with just the sports tips in High Gloss Black
- Dumped AC, I have a Tesla that I daily drive with full Auto Pilot so why have it in both cars?
- Got rid of Aluminum trim, going to stick with the factory trim and potentially have it vinyl wrapped down the line if I hate it
- Left Sport Design Front off for now, still up in the air about it
Few variables I can go either way on:
- Go Guards Red, save 3k+ and put that towards SD Front (Total stays ~120k)
- Keep Chalk, add SD front, add Spyder design wheels (+3500, +3500 bringing total to roughly 127k)
- Guards Red exterior, no SD front, add GR seat belts to add some flavor to the interior (-3500, +500, bringing total to ~117k)
POTENTIAL NEW BUILD HERE :
http://www.porsche-code.com/PNXHCSR5
Code is PNXHCSR5
Last edited by pgelo; Sep 12, 2021 at 11:53 PM.
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At first, congrats to your decision…
1. PSE
I dont know how it sound without PSE in USA (here in EU we have OPF), but I really hate the sound with valves closed. PSE is a must have for me, driving with valves opened all the time
2. Sport Chrono is a thing I wanted to avoid, but demo car changed me mind. I decided to add SC
3. Bordeaux with Chalk exterior is great combo, if you like bordeaux. there is no better looking option with Chalk.
4. I wanted Sport Design packet because of rear bumper, but I decided to avoid it beacuse of lower front angle (also I didnt want to pay extra for front axle lift)
1. PSE
I dont know how it sound without PSE in USA (here in EU we have OPF), but I really hate the sound with valves closed. PSE is a must have for me, driving with valves opened all the time
2. Sport Chrono is a thing I wanted to avoid, but demo car changed me mind. I decided to add SC
3. Bordeaux with Chalk exterior is great combo, if you like bordeaux. there is no better looking option with Chalk.
4. I wanted Sport Design packet because of rear bumper, but I decided to avoid it beacuse of lower front angle (also I didnt want to pay extra for front axle lift)
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EXHAUST :
First question I had was regarding whether or not it’s worth it to spec out PSE or go aftermarket from the jump.
Sport Chrono I already know is an absolute necessity (Loved Sport+ on my 718 Cayman and different exhaust note)
For the price of adding it, I believe it’s around $3500 from the factory, for $500 more I can go either Soul or Fabspeed a year or two down the line.
Alternatively, if I go with PSE, I don’t risk voiding any factory warranties on a brand new car.
Third option, Get sport chrono, and only option black sport tips for $900.
Does the stock system sound that bad; Even with Sport Chrono? I keep hearing about particulate filters that make it sound like an "angry vacuum cleaner".
Aftermarket exhausts typically work with PSE exhaust valves, but if you get the dealer to program the PSE on the stock exhaust, then that should work. PSE is really just programming, a console button and round tips. The actual exhaust hardware is all the same. If you don't want to monkey around with it - just get PSE. Catback exhausts are not really a major warranty concern.
WHEELS :
I HATE the stock wheels. They don’t fill the wheel wells and in my opinion cheapen the look of the entire car.
Planned on either adding the 20/21” Carrera Classic 10 spoke wheels or the Spyder Design 21”
For one, the Spyder design look impossible to keep clean and the 21 inch all the way around may not be the most fun when I end up with flats once a week.
Leading towards the Carrera Classic 20/21".
If you are flatting once a week, rethink this purchase
SEATS:
I watched that popular options video that helped me sort out ALOT of my questions but I still can not figure out the differences between the seat options.
I had 14 way (Or may have been 18) Sports Plus seats in my 718 Cayman which I loved. The extra bolstering kept me tucked in the seats nicely and never felt uncomfortable driving.
The seats memory portion isn't of high priority because I'll be basically the only one driving the car but from what I saw, If I bump up to the Sports Plus seats my only options are 4 way or 18 way with memory package.
You can get 4 way sport plus seats, but keep in mind you will also lose dipping mirrors when reversing if you don't get the memory function.
INTERIOR:
Back down the rabbit hole I go and adding another 5k to the build while seemingly adding nothing.
First of several questions in this section.
First, would the Black and Bordeaux Red (not full) interior look tacky on a Chalk exterior?
My back up option was doing Black with deviated Chalk stitching and Chalk seatbelts.
Bordeaux and Chalk look good
INTERIOR TRIM:
Almost most definitely have my mind made up I'll be doing Brushed Aluminum interior unless someone can convince me the factory trim is fine. To me, it looked almost polka dot(ish).
I don't like the stock trim, but most people don't mind.
SPORT DESIGN :
Another option I'm almost dead set on getting the Front only, but I can live without it, would like opinions on whether to save the 4k and drop it.
The Rear Sport Design looks squished and out of place to me but I can see where some people say the stock rear looks fat.
If you love the look, then go for it. I like both. Chalk looks best with Sport Design, in my opinion.
EXTERIOR:
Im leading towards Chalk however I'm not entirely opposed to getting it in Shark Blue but I can not find a picture ANYWHERE of a 992 911 that's not a GT3. Would like some opinions here!
Personally, I think Shark Blue needs an aggressive body style to really work. Aerokit would look cool with SB.
If you got this far, thank you lol.
Attached build code for reference. PNDAEVL2
https://cc.porsche.com/icc/ccCall.do...bcode=PNDAEVL2
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I was at the dealer Friday and they had a brand new Turbo S in Shark Blue, I thought I would have liked it more than I did seeing it in person. The blue is very light. I ordered my 911 in Gentain Blue but almost went for Shark, glad I didn’t. Having also recently seen a Lava Orange 911 that is surprising my favorite bold color.
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If you're building to a budget, this is what I would do.
- Skip PSE
- Go with the Wheels you like, Carrera Classics are cool (but get wheel/tire insurance as RK-D suggested)
- I like black / bordeaux interior, very classy and sporty at the same; deviated stitching is very unnoticeable.
- Skip SD front fascia
- Get brushed aluminum interior trim
-Get chalk, more timeless and classy.
Here's my thinking. Aside from the wheels, I'm picking options that will affect you every timeyou drive the car, i.e., the touch points and the areas you actually see and touch. Things like the SD fascia and PSE are really for other people viewing the car from the outside; same could be said for wheels, but since wheels are so personal, I let that one go.
Good luck, hope that helps.
- Skip PSE
- Go with the Wheels you like, Carrera Classics are cool (but get wheel/tire insurance as RK-D suggested)
- I like black / bordeaux interior, very classy and sporty at the same; deviated stitching is very unnoticeable.
- Skip SD front fascia
- Get brushed aluminum interior trim
-Get chalk, more timeless and classy.
Here's my thinking. Aside from the wheels, I'm picking options that will affect you every timeyou drive the car, i.e., the touch points and the areas you actually see and touch. Things like the SD fascia and PSE are really for other people viewing the car from the outside; same could be said for wheels, but since wheels are so personal, I let that one go.
Good luck, hope that helps.
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At first, congrats to your decision…
1. PSE
I dont know how it sound without PSE in USA (here in EU we have OPF), but I really hate the sound with valves closed. PSE is a must have for me, driving with valves opened all the time
2. Sport Chrono is a thing I wanted to avoid, but demo car changed me mind. I decided to add SC
3. Bordeaux with Chalk exterior is great combo, if you like bordeaux. there is no better looking option with Chalk.
4. I wanted Sport Design packet because of rear bumper, but I decided to avoid it beacuse of lower front angle (also I didnt want to pay extra for front axle lift)
1. PSE
I dont know how it sound without PSE in USA (here in EU we have OPF), but I really hate the sound with valves closed. PSE is a must have for me, driving with valves opened all the time
2. Sport Chrono is a thing I wanted to avoid, but demo car changed me mind. I decided to add SC
3. Bordeaux with Chalk exterior is great combo, if you like bordeaux. there is no better looking option with Chalk.
4. I wanted Sport Design packet because of rear bumper, but I decided to avoid it beacuse of lower front angle (also I didnt want to pay extra for front axle lift)
If you're building to a budget, this is what I would do.
- Skip PSE
- Go with the Wheels you like, Carrera Classics are cool (but get wheel/tire insurance as RK-D suggested)
- I like black / bordeaux interior, very classy and sporty at the same; deviated stitching is very unnoticeable.
- Skip SD front fascia
- Get brushed aluminum interior trim
-Get chalk, more timeless and classy.
Here's my thinking. Aside from the wheels, I'm picking options that will affect you every timeyou drive the car, i.e., the touch points and the areas you actually see and touch. Things like the SD fascia and PSE are really for other people viewing the car from the outside; same could be said for wheels, but since wheels are so personal, I let that one go.
Good luck, hope that helps.
- Skip PSE
- Go with the Wheels you like, Carrera Classics are cool (but get wheel/tire insurance as RK-D suggested)
- I like black / bordeaux interior, very classy and sporty at the same; deviated stitching is very unnoticeable.
- Skip SD front fascia
- Get brushed aluminum interior trim
-Get chalk, more timeless and classy.
Here's my thinking. Aside from the wheels, I'm picking options that will affect you every timeyou drive the car, i.e., the touch points and the areas you actually see and touch. Things like the SD fascia and PSE are really for other people viewing the car from the outside; same could be said for wheels, but since wheels are so personal, I let that one go.
Good luck, hope that helps.
I was at the dealer Friday and they had a brand new Turbo S in Shark Blue, I thought I would have liked it more than I did seeing it in person. The blue is very light. I ordered my 911 in Gentain Blue but almost went for Shark, glad I didn’t. Having also recently seen a Lava Orange 911 that is surprising my favorite bold color.
So far I've decided FOR SURE, I'll be doing Chalk with the Black/Bordeaux Red interior, initially I wasn't able to tell if the combo clashed but everyone agreed it's a non issue.
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I visited your build and its good. But if you're still looking to cut corners, I think you have plenty to trim. I think I know which options video you're talking about and I did a lot of trimming after watching it because I agree with most of the viewpoints in it. So, to your build:
- If you hunt around here and pay attention, it becomes clear that some owners regret getting PSE because it provides no massive difference - its not like the engine roars to life in one mode over the other. So, I think you can save here
- You can save quite a bit if you break out the premium package to the parts you really need. For example, I cut the PDLS - IMO its just lights and it just another moving part that can break on you and cause a massive bill. I'll take the standard lights thankyouverymuch (it's not like they're terrible!). Also, I like to take long road trips so seat comfort is important to me and its been argued that the ventilated system does not add to that comfort. Do you really need ambient lighting? I have that in my other cars and I choose the color once and never ever change it again. So is that something you really want to pay for?
- ACC is something that you can also find debates on whether it's worth it. Personally, I don't like anything that changes my complete control of the car, I like to remain engaged while driving. So no ACC and no LKA. That's massive savings right there.
- I've always like the "slick" lines of the 911 roofs throughout the years. And I also like a quiet cabin while driving (I'm the guy that pays extra for tires rated for low road noise) - so do you really need a sunroof? I can live without one and enjoy the savings.
- Finally, I like the chalk/black/bordeaux combo, I think its looks great without being the standard white/bordeaux that you see so often.
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Just for fun try this one out:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PNCT8622
I’ve deleted aluminum trim, premium package and ACC and kept 1) Bose, 2) folding mirrors, 3) ventilated seats. Really do think the base trim is nice.
I’ve added steering column wrapped in leather and glossy black window trim. I think the former is a relatively inexpensive way to lift the interior and the latter matches your lettering on the rear.
$131K.
http://www.porsche-code.com/PNCT8622
I’ve deleted aluminum trim, premium package and ACC and kept 1) Bose, 2) folding mirrors, 3) ventilated seats. Really do think the base trim is nice.
I’ve added steering column wrapped in leather and glossy black window trim. I think the former is a relatively inexpensive way to lift the interior and the latter matches your lettering on the rear.
$131K.
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I've not heard an aftermarket exhaust that sounds better to my ears than PSE, just louder...although that comes down to personal taste.
Base trim looks just fine.
Carrera Classics look good and are easy to keep clean.
Base trim looks just fine.
Carrera Classics look good and are easy to keep clean.
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Exhaust: when I was 28, I would (way back in the day) straight pipe diesels, and glass pack V8s and dump the stock exhaust within seconds of owning a car. Being older (and lazier and scared of warranties (and married)) I opted for the PSE, however, I think based upon what you said, get the stock exhaust and aftermarket the exhaust later.
Wheels: Carrera Classics look amazing. I like the Spyders, but on someone else's car (cleaning would be time consuming and I don't like the gray).
Seats: personal choice
Interior: again personal choice, however what you've listed is super nice.
Interior trim: don't waste your money for that unless it would always bug you or you're such a huge aluminum fan, you have to have it
Exterior package: meh, the front fascia is just more paint to get rock chipped and take care of. You won't see it....while driving.
Exterior color: chalk is pretty awesome and if you want it, go get it. SB is trendy and sporty and to me (me, alone) it looks best on the GT3 type variants.
You can't go wrong though and have fun!
Wheels: Carrera Classics look amazing. I like the Spyders, but on someone else's car (cleaning would be time consuming and I don't like the gray).
Seats: personal choice
Interior: again personal choice, however what you've listed is super nice.
Interior trim: don't waste your money for that unless it would always bug you or you're such a huge aluminum fan, you have to have it
Exterior package: meh, the front fascia is just more paint to get rock chipped and take care of. You won't see it....while driving.
Exterior color: chalk is pretty awesome and if you want it, go get it. SB is trendy and sporty and to me (me, alone) it looks best on the GT3 type variants.
You can't go wrong though and have fun!
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So I’ve gotten the bug and spent the last few days building out tons of different configurations of my 992 Base.
Im located in Staten Island, NY winters on occasion can get pretty bad but nothing outrageous. I can't see myself needing the C4 unless it's worth the extra 7k.
Going to treat myself to a 28th birthday gift and was told by preferred dealership current wait time is about a year so I want to make sure I do this correctly the first time.
My build comes out to just under 140k pre tax which is at the absolute max of my budget but would like to cut corners where I can without cheating myself out of the 911 experience.
As of now I’m basically just about all set minus a few small details and would like some input.
I’ll split the post into areas of concern for ease of reading.
EXHAUST :
First question I had was regarding whether or not it’s worth it to spec out PSE or go aftermarket from the jump.
Sport Chrono I already know is an absolute necessity (Loved Sport+ on my 718 Cayman and different exhaust note)
For the price of adding it, I believe it’s around $3500 from the factory, for $500 more I can go either Soul or Fabspeed a year or two down the line.
Alternatively, if I go with PSE, I don’t risk voiding any factory warranties on a brand new car.
Third option, Get sport chrono, and only option black sport tips for $900.
Does the stock system sound that bad; Even with Sport Chrono? I keep hearing about particulate filters that make it sound like an "angry vacuum cleaner".
WHEELS :
I HATE the stock wheels. They don’t fill the wheel wells and in my opinion cheapen the look of the entire car.
Planned on either adding the 20/21” Carrera Classic 10 spoke wheels or the Spyder Design 21”
For one, the Spyder design look impossible to keep clean and the 21 inch all the way around may not be the most fun when I end up with flats once a week.
Leading towards the Carrera Classic 20/21".
SEATS:
I watched that popular options video that helped me sort out ALOT of my questions but I still can not figure out the differences between the seat options.
I had 14 way (Or may have been 18) Sports Plus seats in my 718 Cayman which I loved. The extra bolstering kept me tucked in the seats nicely and never felt uncomfortable driving.
The seats memory portion isn't of high priority because I'll be basically the only one driving the car but from what I saw, If I bump up to the Sports Plus seats my only options are 4 way or 18 way with memory package.
INTERIOR:
Back down the rabbit hole I go and adding another 5k to the build while seemingly adding nothing.
First of several questions in this section.
First, would the Black and Bordeaux Red (not full) interior look tacky on a Chalk exterior?
My back up option was doing Black with deviated Chalk stitching and Chalk seatbelts.
INTERIOR TRIM:
Almost most definitely have my mind made up I'll be doing Brushed Aluminum interior unless someone can convince me the factory trim is fine. To me, it looked almost polka dot(ish).
SPORT DESIGN :
Another option I'm almost dead set on getting the Front only, but I can live without it, would like opinions on whether to save the 4k and drop it.
The Rear Sport Design looks squished and out of place to me but I can see where some people say the stock rear looks fat.
EXTERIOR:
Im leading towards Chalk however I'm not entirely opposed to getting it in Shark Blue but I can not find a picture ANYWHERE of a 992 911 that's not a GT3. Would like some opinions here!
If you got this far, thank you lol.
Attached build code for reference. PNDAEVL2
https://cc.porsche.com/icc/ccCall.do...bcode=PNDAEVL2
Im located in Staten Island, NY winters on occasion can get pretty bad but nothing outrageous. I can't see myself needing the C4 unless it's worth the extra 7k.
Going to treat myself to a 28th birthday gift and was told by preferred dealership current wait time is about a year so I want to make sure I do this correctly the first time.
My build comes out to just under 140k pre tax which is at the absolute max of my budget but would like to cut corners where I can without cheating myself out of the 911 experience.
As of now I’m basically just about all set minus a few small details and would like some input.
I’ll split the post into areas of concern for ease of reading.
EXHAUST :
First question I had was regarding whether or not it’s worth it to spec out PSE or go aftermarket from the jump.
Sport Chrono I already know is an absolute necessity (Loved Sport+ on my 718 Cayman and different exhaust note)
For the price of adding it, I believe it’s around $3500 from the factory, for $500 more I can go either Soul or Fabspeed a year or two down the line.
Alternatively, if I go with PSE, I don’t risk voiding any factory warranties on a brand new car.
Third option, Get sport chrono, and only option black sport tips for $900.
Does the stock system sound that bad; Even with Sport Chrono? I keep hearing about particulate filters that make it sound like an "angry vacuum cleaner".
WHEELS :
I HATE the stock wheels. They don’t fill the wheel wells and in my opinion cheapen the look of the entire car.
Planned on either adding the 20/21” Carrera Classic 10 spoke wheels or the Spyder Design 21”
For one, the Spyder design look impossible to keep clean and the 21 inch all the way around may not be the most fun when I end up with flats once a week.
Leading towards the Carrera Classic 20/21".
SEATS:
I watched that popular options video that helped me sort out ALOT of my questions but I still can not figure out the differences between the seat options.
I had 14 way (Or may have been 18) Sports Plus seats in my 718 Cayman which I loved. The extra bolstering kept me tucked in the seats nicely and never felt uncomfortable driving.
The seats memory portion isn't of high priority because I'll be basically the only one driving the car but from what I saw, If I bump up to the Sports Plus seats my only options are 4 way or 18 way with memory package.
INTERIOR:
Back down the rabbit hole I go and adding another 5k to the build while seemingly adding nothing.
First of several questions in this section.
First, would the Black and Bordeaux Red (not full) interior look tacky on a Chalk exterior?
My back up option was doing Black with deviated Chalk stitching and Chalk seatbelts.
INTERIOR TRIM:
Almost most definitely have my mind made up I'll be doing Brushed Aluminum interior unless someone can convince me the factory trim is fine. To me, it looked almost polka dot(ish).
SPORT DESIGN :
Another option I'm almost dead set on getting the Front only, but I can live without it, would like opinions on whether to save the 4k and drop it.
The Rear Sport Design looks squished and out of place to me but I can see where some people say the stock rear looks fat.
EXTERIOR:
Im leading towards Chalk however I'm not entirely opposed to getting it in Shark Blue but I can not find a picture ANYWHERE of a 992 911 that's not a GT3. Would like some opinions here!
If you got this far, thank you lol.
Attached build code for reference. PNDAEVL2
https://cc.porsche.com/icc/ccCall.do...bcode=PNDAEVL2
So I jumped you two trims and kept most of your build PNABWII3
Then ...
I leaned it down and made sacrifices and changed it . Its 12K more to jump TWO trims and have a car that much of the items you are paying for standard PLUS more things a base car can only dream of ,
PNQQ1259
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FWIW I have washed my 911 approximately every 2 weeks for the past 4 months and the RS Spyder wheels look essentially the same pre and post wash. You could get a ceramic coat for the wheels to make life easier but there is not that much delta between clean/dirty
TL;DR get the spyders, they complement the chalk well (if you go chalk)
TL;DR get the spyders, they complement the chalk well (if you go chalk)
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135- 140K for a base 992 is outrageous . Porsche staggers options and identical items higher trim not only cost less but are sometimes standard. 145K would buy a modest GTS and you would end up driving more car that cost less to own because when you'll that 140K base it will compete with much lower priced cars .
So I jumped you two trims and kept most of your build PNABWII3
Then ...
I leaned it down and made sacrifices and changed it . Its 12K more to jump TWO trims and have a car that much of the items you are paying for standard PLUS more things a base car can only dream of ,
PNQQ1259
So I jumped you two trims and kept most of your build PNABWII3
Then ...
I leaned it down and made sacrifices and changed it . Its 12K more to jump TWO trims and have a car that much of the items you are paying for standard PLUS more things a base car can only dream of ,
PNQQ1259
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FWIW I have washed my 911 approximately every 2 weeks for the past 4 months and the RS Spyder wheels look essentially the same pre and post wash. You could get a ceramic coat for the wheels to make life easier but there is not that much delta between clean/dirty
TL;DR get the spyders, they complement the chalk well (if you go chalk)
TL;DR get the spyders, they complement the chalk well (if you go chalk)