InnoDrive add to 2020 992 anyone?
08-08-2021, 05:01 PM
#16
Burning Brakes
My point is this - I wonder if the PCM hardware version is the limiting factor for the updates ? As you know, the 2022 992 is getting the Taycan PCM version (PCM6).
I think you’ll only get a clear answer from Germany, or perhaps PCNA. And it may need to come from someone higher up their technology food chain.
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992Sam (08-08-2021)
08-08-2021, 05:10 PM
#17
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
As you mentioned, in March the Taycan was issued free software updates to be carried out at the dealership. After those updates, over the air updates will become possible (Functions on Demand). No mention of other models.
My point is this - I wonder if the PCM hardware version is the limiting factor for the updates ? As you know, the 2022 992 is getting the Taycan PCM version (PCM6).
I think you’ll only get a clear answer from Germany, or perhaps PCNA. And it may need to come from someone higher up their technology food chain.
My point is this - I wonder if the PCM hardware version is the limiting factor for the updates ? As you know, the 2022 992 is getting the Taycan PCM version (PCM6).
I think you’ll only get a clear answer from Germany, or perhaps PCNA. And it may need to come from someone higher up their technology food chain.
I’ve got an inquiry with two dealers and so far no info. It’s amazing to me that VW auto groups technology center is literally 5 miles form me yet I can’t get a good answer from two dealers in their shadow. 🤷🏻
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Benedict14 (08-08-2021)
08-08-2021, 05:33 PM
#18
Burning Brakes
solid info, thanks for that. I didn’t know the 2022 went to a new PCM… ?
I’ve got an inquiry with two dealers and so far no info. It’s amazing to me that VW auto groups technology center is literally 5 miles form me yet I can’t get a good answer from two dealers in their shadow. 🤷🏻
I’ve got an inquiry with two dealers and so far no info. It’s amazing to me that VW auto groups technology center is literally 5 miles form me yet I can’t get a good answer from two dealers in their shadow. 🤷🏻
At the bottom there’s a couple of Porsche contacts at PCNA, with their email addresses. I wonder if emailing one of them might give you more info ? Or they’ll tell you to contact a dealer. But, they may put you on the path to a better contact.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2...tes-24060.html
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992Sam (08-08-2021)
08-08-2021, 05:46 PM
#19
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Pleasure. I’ll attach a link to the 2022 differences. It mentions the PCM.
At the bottom there’s a couple of Porsche contacts at PCNA, with their email addresses. I wonder if emailing one of them might give you more info ? Or they’ll tell you to contact a dealer. But, they may put you on the path to a better contact.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2...tes-24060.html
At the bottom there’s a couple of Porsche contacts at PCNA, with their email addresses. I wonder if emailing one of them might give you more info ? Or they’ll tell you to contact a dealer. But, they may put you on the path to a better contact.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2...tes-24060.html
Last edited by mikey94025; 08-08-2021 at 05:50 PM.
08-08-2021, 06:08 PM
#20
solid info, thanks for that. I didn’t know the 2022 went to a new PCM… ?
I’ve got an inquiry with two dealers and so far no info. It’s amazing to me that VW auto groups technology center is literally 5 miles form me yet I can’t get a good answer from two dealers in their shadow. 🤷🏻
I’ve got an inquiry with two dealers and so far no info. It’s amazing to me that VW auto groups technology center is literally 5 miles form me yet I can’t get a good answer from two dealers in their shadow. 🤷🏻
I would think that if the PCM was the limiting issue, regarding any software retrofit for the PID, I wouldn’t have PID. Mine is a 2021, not 2022.
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992Sam (08-08-2021)
08-08-2021, 08:10 PM
#21
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Pleasure. I’ll attach a link to the 2022 differences. It mentions the PCM.
At the bottom there’s a couple of Porsche contacts at PCNA, with their email addresses. I wonder if emailing one of them might give you more info ? Or they’ll tell you to contact a dealer. But, they may put you on the path to a better contact.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2...tes-24060.html
At the bottom there’s a couple of Porsche contacts at PCNA, with their email addresses. I wonder if emailing one of them might give you more info ? Or they’ll tell you to contact a dealer. But, they may put you on the path to a better contact.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2...tes-24060.html
Well thanks to your most helpful link... contacted Frank and this is the final answer 😂🤷🏽♂️
Good evening Sam,
I hope you are doing well. Thank you very much for your e-mail.
The driver assistance control module in your 2020 911 (992) will not support InnoDrive and a retrofit option is not planned.
It is only possible on a Taycan as an over-the-air update as it started with the newer gen hardware, assuming the Taycan was ordered with the optional ACC.
I’m sorry I don’t have better news for you, but I hope you have a pleasant evening.
With kind regards,
Frank Wiesmann
I hope you are doing well. Thank you very much for your e-mail.
The driver assistance control module in your 2020 911 (992) will not support InnoDrive and a retrofit option is not planned.
It is only possible on a Taycan as an over-the-air update as it started with the newer gen hardware, assuming the Taycan was ordered with the optional ACC.
I’m sorry I don’t have better news for you, but I hope you have a pleasant evening.
With kind regards,
Frank Wiesmann
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Benedict14 (08-10-2021)
08-08-2021, 08:23 PM
#22
08-08-2021, 08:25 PM
#23
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
11-07-2021, 01:15 PM
#24
Porsche can’t fix a worldwide problem with innodrive
My 992 has innodrive and like other owners across the world it keeps crashing. There’s a clash with the max speed function, which causes innodrive to intermittently throw an “unavailable” error. On my car it happens on average every 100 miles or so, and requires a delve into the menu system each time to reset the max speed.
Porsche in Germany are (allegedly) on the case but 10 months into ownership there’s no fix. I’m not happy!
Porsche in Germany are (allegedly) on the case but 10 months into ownership there’s no fix. I’m not happy!
11-07-2021, 06:07 PM
#25
My 992 has innodrive and like other owners across the world it keeps crashing. There’s a clash with the max speed function, which causes innodrive to intermittently throw an “unavailable” error. On my car it happens on average every 100 miles or so, and requires a delve into the menu system each time to reset the max speed.
Porsche in Germany are (allegedly) on the case but 10 months into ownership there’s no fix. I’m not happy!
Porsche in Germany are (allegedly) on the case but 10 months into ownership there’s no fix. I’m not happy!
11-08-2021, 02:47 AM
#26
My C4 does 20,000 miles a year and sometimes the error is thrown multiple times a day.
It’s always the first time you use innodrive on a journey, and never occurs again on that journey. Sometimes the max speed has reset itself to 20mph, sometimes it hasn’t changed.
The fix is always to change the max speed setting, which requires a total of seven swipes and taps on the touch screen - not a great procedure while driving to make a safety feature work.
992 owners across the world have reported the problem, and I’ve not heard of any 992 with innodrive that doesn’t have the fault.
Porsche seems incapable of fixing it 😡
Last edited by JoBlo; 11-08-2021 at 02:55 AM.
11-08-2021, 10:47 AM
#27
It is a significant bug - there’s a conflict in the software that causes an expensive upgrade safety feature to fail.
My C4 does 20,000 miles a year and sometimes the error is thrown multiple times a day.
It’s always the first time you use innodrive on a journey, and never occurs again on that journey. Sometimes the max speed has reset itself to 20mph, sometimes it hasn’t changed.
The fix is always to change the max speed setting, which requires a total of seven swipes and taps on the touch screen - not a great procedure while driving to make a safety feature work.
992 owners across the world have reported the problem, and I’ve not heard of any 992 with innodrive that doesn’t have the fault.
Porsche seems incapable of fixing it 😡
My C4 does 20,000 miles a year and sometimes the error is thrown multiple times a day.
It’s always the first time you use innodrive on a journey, and never occurs again on that journey. Sometimes the max speed has reset itself to 20mph, sometimes it hasn’t changed.
The fix is always to change the max speed setting, which requires a total of seven swipes and taps on the touch screen - not a great procedure while driving to make a safety feature work.
992 owners across the world have reported the problem, and I’ve not heard of any 992 with innodrive that doesn’t have the fault.
Porsche seems incapable of fixing it 😡
Have you contacted the mother ship? I’ve found that nobody at my dealership even knows what PID is, or does.
11-08-2021, 12:29 PM
#28
The initial attempted fix was a new central computer, which only seemed to make the fault more frequent.
After that it was notified to Porsche in Germany who I’m told fessed up to it being a worldwide fault and they don’t know what’s causing it.
Imagine the fuss that would be created if Tesla’s autopilot system was as unreliable.
11-08-2021, 03:25 PM
#29
Innodrive did not work on my first trip home from the dealership 15,000 miles ago. A combination of them being useless during lockdown (“We are not providing loan cars”) and apparently not understanding the system it took months to get them to try to address it.
The initial attempted fix was a new central computer, which only seemed to make the fault more frequent.
After that it was notified to Porsche in Germany who I’m told fessed up to it being a worldwide fault and they don’t know what’s causing it.
Imagine the fuss that would be created if Tesla’s autopilot system was as unreliable.
The initial attempted fix was a new central computer, which only seemed to make the fault more frequent.
After that it was notified to Porsche in Germany who I’m told fessed up to it being a worldwide fault and they don’t know what’s causing it.
Imagine the fuss that would be created if Tesla’s autopilot system was as unreliable.
Well, sorry to hear that. Once I learned that I periodically needed to reset the max speed, I use it ll the time…and once in use, during a drive, it never “crashes” for me. In fact, I used it just yesterday during a PCA Tour event.
I’m sure you don’t hear much in the media about PID is because very few people seem to have it, and even fewer even know what it is/does. In fact, Porsche has done very, very little to even market this capability? Maybe because of the liability issues that Tesla is now facing with all it’s “self driving” cars crashing?
Last edited by CodyBigdog; 11-08-2021 at 03:26 PM.
11-08-2021, 04:06 PM
#30
I’m sure you don’t hear much in the media about PID is because very few people seem to have it, and even fewer even know what it is/does. In fact, Porsche has done very, very little to even market this capability? Maybe because of the liability issues that Tesla is now facing with all it’s “self driving” cars crashing?
I use innodrive on every journey, and I make probably four or five journeys a day.