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Old Jul 16, 2021 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bmclaurin
I hear you (and am not looking to start a debate on this topic since I admittedly know very little about it myself), but this seems to fall into a similar category as the debate on break-in miles. I seem to recall a few discussions on this board suggesting that it's better to allow the car to warm up in anything other than Normal mode since that mode tends to allow the engine to lug at low RPM's, which is never good but especially when the engine is cold. Again, not debating here as I'm not knowledgeable enough on this topic to contribute anything authoritative; rather, just passing along what others on these boards have (rather convincingly) posted on this topic.
Normal mode does not lug the engine, especially with a PDK. It's conceivable that you could actually lug it with a manual.
I've owned cars that don't allow you to switch out of normal or comfort mode until the engine oil starts warming up. Porsche doesn't prevent you from switching modes, but the thinking around a less aggressive mode for warm-ups is sound.
While there is debate around break-in miles and strategies, there's zero debate with regards to warming up your engine oil before you get on it.

There are a lot of old men tales about engine warm up from the carbureted era that just aren't valid for a modern fuel injected engine. The best thing that you can do today in a modern car is to hop in and drive it off -- no idling "warm-up".
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Old Jul 16, 2021 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by detansinn
Normal mode does not lug the engine, especially with a PDK. It's conceivable that you could actually lug it with a manual.
I've owned cars that don't allow you to switch out of normal or comfort mode until the engine oil starts warming up. Porsche doesn't prevent you from switching modes, but the thinking around a less aggressive mode for warm-ups is sound.
While there is debate around break-in miles and strategies, there's zero debate with regards to warming up your engine oil before you get on it.

There are a lot of old men tales about engine warm up from the carbureted era that just aren't valid for a modern fuel injected engine. The best thing that you can do today in a modern car is to hop in and drive it off -- no idling "warm-up".
Interesting and informative, as usual Yes, I'm a staunch believer in a full warm-up (which I usually deem to not occur until the oil temp equals or exceeds coolant temp) before any spirited driving. One of the (very few) silver linings of this insane heat wave we're having out west is just how quickly this occurs right now. I can go from cold start to fully warmed up in literally no more than a couple miles.

EDIT: For clarity, when I referred to "debate," I meant whether one should be in Normal v. Sport for the warm-up period, not whether one should allow a warm-up at all.

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Old Jul 16, 2021 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tupper
How does 'Normal' mode warm up the oil faster than 'Sport' mode? I figured it would be the opposite since Sport mode favors lower gears and higher RPMs
IIRC, the thermostat drops from 220 deg C to 180 Deg C. Going from Normal to Sport.
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Old Jul 16, 2021 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by OliverK68
IIRC, the thermostat drops from 220 deg C to 180 Deg C. Going from Normal to Sport.
that is correct. You wont see a different gauge readout (thats not actual water temp anyway) but it is programmed to run cooler in sport and sport plus than in normal.
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Old Jul 16, 2021 | 10:49 PM
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T-Design does have a module for that and if you have sport on the console auto stop/start also works. It keeps these buttons in the same position they are in when you shut off the car. At least for now if you have the selector on the button on the steering wheel it will only keep sport mode in the last position but not the auto Stop/start.

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Old Jul 17, 2021 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ritchieg
T-Design does have a module for that and if you have sport on the console auto stop/start also works. It keeps these buttons in the same position they are in when you shut off the car. At least for now if you have the selector on the button on the steering wheel it will only keep sport mode in the last position but not the auto Stop/start.
Given that disabling AS/S on a 992 is done through the PCM, I dubious that T-Design will have a work around this time.

Another reason to lament the loss of physical switchgear.
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Old Jul 17, 2021 | 10:02 PM
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With Sport Chrono, fire the car up, turn the dial to Sport...then off you go. I suppose without Sport Chrono, you’d need to dive into the dash. Another reason for Sport Chrono to be a must have option.
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Old Jul 17, 2021 | 11:01 PM
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Given there’s only about a 300 rpm difference between normal & sport. I don’t think it matters which one you use to warm the car up. Just don’t idle & take it easy until it’s fully warmed.
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Originally Posted by ritchieg
T-Design does have a module for that and if you have sport on the console auto stop/start also works. It keeps these buttons in the same position they are in when you shut off the car. At least for now if you have the selector on the button on the steering wheel it will only keep sport mode in the last position but not the auto Stop/start.
is it out? on the website, it still says "992 version is coming".
I have been using the module method to disable the Mercedes's auto stop/star function. it works well and I'd like to do the same for the 992.
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Old Jul 18, 2021 | 12:43 PM
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Here is a copy of their web page. At the top it says it works on some 992's but later on says it doesn't. I called them a few months ago and they said it was coming for the 992 soon. They indicated that with the **** on the steering wheel, auto stop/start might not be included until they did more work on it but should if sport button was on the console. I had it in my last two Boxsters and never had to hit the sport or auto/stop because they were always on when I shut off the car thus always on when I started the car. I will get it as soon as they include the auto stop/start for cars with the sport button on the steering wheel. .

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Old Jul 18, 2021 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ritchieg
Here is a copy of their web page. At the top it says it works on some 992's but later on says it doesn't. I called them a few months ago and they said it was coming for the 992 soon. They indicated that with the **** on the steering wheel, auto stop/start might not be included until they did more work on it but should if sport button was on the console. I had it in my last two Boxsters and never had to hit the sport or auto/stop because they were always on when I shut off the car thus always on when I started the car. I will get it as soon as they include the auto stop/start for cars with the sport button on the steering wheel. .

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Cayman/Boxster : gen 718, 981 (2013+) (incl GT4)
Cayenne : gen 958 (2011-2018)
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With Memory Module, you don't have to press same button over and over every time you start the car. Or rotate that **** to I or S every time. Simple thing and not a big deal for some people, but great for those who feel stupid having to select their prefernces every. friking. time.

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Assuming A/S/S can be disabled in Individual mode and the module can remember Individual mode, this looks like a solution.

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