Interesting. I've always wondered if the 993s were sold at discount or not.

 

Given the current demand/market, I think the dealer could easily find another buyer at $160,000 full MRSP and make that additional profit.

 

Yes timing is everything as is location is seems. Search far and wide and you MAY find someone with a car on the lot and/or an allocation for a build but not likely. Not many have cars period to sell and even less allocations. All MY21's are gone from what I hear or almost all. MY22's are being released but still not in a large enough number to satisfy and fill the dealer's order lists they've been building and taking deposit money for. Same story from those who seem to have found cars since Dec-Jan-Feb time frame...lots of wants for cars...less cars to sell or custom build...and not many at significantly less than MSRP. Law of supply and demand with a COVID19 and Semiconductor audible added in to boot. Guys are even selling or being offered their CPO's for almost/close to or equal MSRP even.
Yes if you get an allocation now and probably within the next 6-12 mos then you are in a rare breed/company for an ordered car. Only ones I hear about getting nice fat/deep discounts on 992s now a days are lot cars and those with serious history with dealerships and prior business or some other arrangement.
Probably so! No issues selling it unless its a Ronald McDonald configured car.

 

I looked the configurator earlier this week and prices seem to be higher by about $2,000 for a base 911, which I assume is for minimally changed 2022 models. So in a sense I did get a discount for a car that will deliver in June. As the say in the markets, pigs get fat and the hogs get slaughtered. All good!

 

I secured an allocation in early March and was able to get $3500 off (ends up being just over 3% on my build) only after finding 2 dealers that were willing to increase their discount offerings to secure my business. My local dealer was willing to go $3500 since I would service my car with them. Other dealers I contacted had no allocations. I definitely got the sense that obtaining an allocation would not be easy, but I secured my allocation the first day I went hunting. I decided to purchase new as used car prices seemed absurd.

 

I was just offered a new 2020 C2S at MSRP.

 

Why are you getting 2020 model instead of 2021?

 

I am passing. 2 year old car at this point. Just to the point of how bad things are.

 

Your success in getting an allocation/discount is most likely based on unusual local/regional market conditions.

 

I don’t disagree with you. I had a sense allocations were getting scarce and so I should jump quick when starting my hunt. I’m sure things are a lot worse just 30 days later.

 

I was in the same boat and got an allocation in March too. But here in the Mid Atlantic, it was MSRP or go home

 

Got 5% recently of a 2021 build for this summer. It's out there. Shop around. I've owned/own 5 before my new one coming and never bought without a discount. It's a car that you will lose money on if you drive it. I drive 12-15k miles a year on my 911's. No reason to pay up. I call around until I get my deal. Never bought from the same dealer twice. Of course I have to pay 1k to ship it to me, but it's still better than the local stealer. They have used 2020's with 7-10k miles listed over invoice. It's just a stupid time to stretch for the car. It's still a mass produced car to a degree, and no collectors item in my opinion. Enjoy it and drive it hard and pay the least you can. It makes driving it that much more enjoyable. To pay over sticker on a base 911 coupe is stupid. Eventually the value will drop like it should.

 

We are a medium sized dealer selling ~50 911's a year and the only cars coming in unsold are a few base coupes. All the S/4s/turbo/targa models are on a waiting list. Very little inventory nationwide.

 

Thats an arrogant assessment - just because you got a discount doesn’t mean it’s the reality. When did you actually get your allocation? Getting it Jan-March is not the same as finding an allocation now. And buying out of state is not a slam dunk, registration of out of state cars can be a pain in the *** in some states. The whole point of this discussion is that Covid has created a unique shortage situation. Making 5 purchases previously is irrelevant.

 

To paraphrase one of my wife's favorite movies... Bragging about getting a discount is like bragging about being tall.

I got my allocation last week and got a strong discount. I'm not the only one getting these, but I'm 100% confident that it's the exception to the rule. These are my non-insider thoughts...

Prior purchase history does seem to play a role - it only makes sense that people with strong, recent and frequent purchase histories get some advantage. But it's not a guarantee and clearly every dealer is different in how this works. It's easy to be a big fish in a little pond. Being a heavy hitter in Miami or LA would take some impressive spending. I do know that being local to the dealer makes a difference. I believe PCNA favors this and, for the dealer, having high end cars locally serves as great advertisement.

I also believe that dealers are awarded allocations based on their sales performance, market conditions as well as capital investment in the dealership itself.

I've bought a new Porsche basically every year now for the past 5 years. I'm also local to a dealer in a market where where discounts are viable. I'm pretty sure that customers are who aren't local don't get the same consideration. So luck has something to do with it. (Out of respect, I'd rather not advertise who my dealer is)

Some people may get lucky with cold calls. That's pure luck. If that ends up working, then..awesome! But, calling every dealer in the country is no guarantee of an allocation, much less a discount, IMO

Based on my read of the market - getting an allocation at all, right now, is a win. Getting a discount is fortunate, but negotiating skill is only a small part of the equation. The only thing I'd really be adamant about - Don't pay ADMs on a non-GT car. Honestly, I wouldn't pay an ADM on anything, but paying one on a non-GT car is just a bad idea.