rumnyc

I have a C2S on order without a test drive because ever since I saw a 992 I knew that I was going to own one. I also knew I wanted a RWD car as I just love the way they accelerate (the push from the back) and the way they steer. Also I will never see ice or snow just a whole lot of rain and C2S has wet mode which I good enough as I drive carefully rain anyways. also i was gonna get custom order and my dealer had only one c2 and one c2s allocation for the rest of the year anyways.

I asked the dealer for a test drive and they no longer had a C2S demo (no allocation few in stock cars so someone liked the combo and bought it recently) but he said he can arrange his manager's C4S. We went for some spirited driving in backroads and he encouraged me to push which I did. I was going to finalize my options after the test drive. it was a typically optioned car for HK. sport chrono, crayon, and thats it. no pse, SPASM, PDCC, RWS). My observations from a 1hr drive around some hilly areas:

1) Steering: Heavy steering at slow speeds. I was surprised how heavy it was. the steering feel was good for drive by wire system. i never drove a 911 before so cant compare to other models but it felt like an awd steering. for me it doesn't have the point and shoot handling of a rwd car. but i don't want to make this about c2s vs c4s.
2) speed: yes the car is fast. very very fast.
3) sound: it sounds great. its loud enough without pse for me and the engine makes wonderful burbles. after about 15mins i realised it is a sin to drive this car in auto and switched to manual just to hear the engine make noise. its addictive. i don't think i will drive my c2s in full auto much if at all.

then i went to the ferrari dealership and tried a 488gtb. long story but this particular used 488 was priced under my heavily optioned c2s and the dealer was keen to have be try it and i never had a chance to drive a ferrari so why not. and it was incredible. the car is so stuff and suspension so taut and that sound!. you just want to drive in manual to make that engine sing.

in the end i was always gonna go for the c2s but after the drives i decided to add SPASM as i love the low, hugging the road, feel in my sports car and in normal mode the 911 was quite soft. as great as the 488 was it had a very dated interior which didn't matter for weekend drives but i needed a daily driver and the new 'digital' 992 interior was so right for me. The new Roma interior looks to be another level so that may be what i look at in a couple of years...as the ferrari dealer put it, the 911 is a gt car compared to a ferrari and i can't disagree. but for me it was the right combination of sporty and everyday usability...he was very nice and i will get to drive a roma in october when the demo car arrives but i think what i will do is keep my 911 as a daily driver and add a ferrari in a few years.

Drizz

Which car do you think drove better?

rumnyc

The 488 won hands down in terms of tactile/visceral driving enjoyment. it had better steering, better sound, better grip. i felt if i daily drove the 488, i would just end up in jail because every 30 sec or so i just felt like unleashing the 488 engine past 3k rpm when the sound just took over everything else around. The 911 had better tech, better comfort, better AC and all round a nicer place to be inside although the 488 seat was super supportive. the 488 dash was very non existant. 80s style HVAC controls and everything else in the steering wheel. the steering mounted turnsignals took a while to get used to, also the fact that they always needed to be turned off as well.

Every-time I was a t traffic light, atleast one person walking around just stopped and stared at me when in the 488. i guess that should be no surprise although the crayon 911 did also get quite a few stares...

997usa

We just sold our 488; It is an AMAZING Car. It is a driving experience. Glad you had an opportunity to drive one . To me, the 488 is one of the best cars Ferrari produced. We sold it to make place for a 992 Turbo S and hopefully use it more than we drove the Ferrari.

ipse dixit

I’m surprised you found the 488 stiff.

The 488 suspension is more compliant than the 992 one, even a regular PASM.


Heck even my Pista has a more compliant suspension than the 992.

rumnyc

I meant the chassis is stiff. There is absolutely no body flex in the 488. Coupled with the thin bucket seats it makes for a wonderful man machine road connection but it’s a bit exhausting for daily use for me.

BigLoue

Has anyone done a review of a 992 Cab versus a Ferrari Portofino? I debated about the Portofino, but didn't think it would be a good DD, and going with a Targa,

rumnyc

I don’t think any Ferrari except the upcoming Roma can compete with 911 in terms of interior tech and ergonomics. They will update the portofino with the new Roma interior soon enough. They have to because other cars in the 100k-250k market (992 C2 to TTSCab) has to now adjust with the new benchmark baseline set by the 992 in terms of the combination of tech, quality and ergonomics. Ferrari knows this and the Roma is a whole new kind of Ferrari aimed against the 911/Vantage space. Their 30s and 40s customer base also demands the tech according to the sales guy i was chatting with. I looked at Portofine and the interior although a very nice place to be isn’t as well integrated as the 992 for daily use. Also with a portofino, i would have worry a lot more about where and how i park it. For a daily driver, i can’t always be thinking if the parking lot is good enough, which isn’t the case with porsche for where i drive.

siberian

I'm interested in finding out from folks who've owned Ferrari vehicles, what their service costs are/were. I've heard horror stories of $20k for brakes etc., but just as a yardstick given you've compared suspension, driveability etc. what the maintenance costs are - assuming you would take it to a dealer as I'm sure not many of you do your own servicing.

siberian

ipse dixit

7 year free maintenance.

siberian

And to think it's only been as of 2020 that they'd deigned to give a courtesy one year service... Definitely puts Porsche to shame.

siberian

not4one

I've had 4 F cars, all bought new, but never put more than 10k on any one of them. Way more engaging drive than a 992 (in the case of 458 or F12), but not nearly as usable as a daily driver. The tech isn't as advanced as 992, but what they do have actually works, versus my constant issues with car play and comfort access . No service costs at all during my low miles ownership (all come with 7 year free maintenance), but, other than the 458, which was rock solid, they do have niggly issues (usually finish related) that require dealer visits. Brakes are std ceramics, so unless you cook them on the track, should not need work even at high miles. All that said, and despite the poor cabin tech of the 992, I much prefer it as a daily or regular weekend car.

997usa

This - my 458, and my 488 had $0 maintenance cost during my ownership.

997usa

I have to respectfully disagree. The 488's seating position, especially in the 100% CF seats, is REALLY REALLY good. Overall the quality of all materials is higher than that of any other car. Keep in mind that, like the 911, you can configure the 488 to your liking, and then some. I had leather ceiling, with red stitching, leather dash, custom dash inserts, full CF seats with leather & alcantara inserts, REV counter (via LEDs) on the steering wheel.... It costs a pretty penny, but the sky is the limit in Ferrari Land... not so at Porsche. AND THE SOUND... O M F G, especially with the Novitronic exhaust I had....

siberian

I've always been a Porsche fan dating back to the 60s having owned 356 and 911s when we lived in Europe.

But Ferrari...

that's where emotion defies reason, the lines, styling, the scream of the V10s, it's another dimension. I'm happy that Ferrari will pay for my 992 and that's probably as close as I'll get to owning one. But one can dream... Thanx for sharing

siberian