Vintage72

So awesome Richard - I love our Rubi MT too!

Master Deep

I'll be getting PDK on my 992 since it will be a daily driver in stop and go traffic. My wife is willing to learn manual if I wanted the manual but I figure I'll buy another manual car in the future. Porsche's PDK is excellent.

stevensivak

its junk.... unless you are a race car driver or like traffic jams....

russbert

I think that is really awesome she is willing to learn; she's definitely a keeper. I had an Audi RS3 for a while and it has a sequential gearbox, and while pretty good, it's not up to the PDK IMO. I thought it was interesting when I did some research a few years back, that Porsche shares *some* of their technologies with Audi, VW but NOT the PDK's.

This may be my last manual, it all depends on my left leg / sciatic nerve and how well (or not) it holds up over the next few years.

russbert

My wife and I have had a MT in all of our Porsche's dating back to her 2001 Boxster S. Here is how I would rank them, and I'm curious about your perspectives as well, since I have a BIG GAP on models re: how your rank Porsche's MT's:

Top to Bottom:

1. 2018 718 Cayman GTS; nice short shift, clutch and shifter are easy to operate
2. 2003 C4S, I really liked the clutch a LOT on this one and the 6 speed was good as well
3. 2004 911 Turbo (After) I liked this one much better after having a friend assist me in putting in an after market short shifter (was a little notchy though)
4. 2004 911 Turbo (Before) I didn't particularly like ... it was just OK. The clutch attenuator (sp?) went out causing the clutch to be awful; luckily replaced under warranty
5. ...
6. ...
7. 2001 Boxster S; I just wanted to accentuate the GAP between this one and ALL the rest. This MT had to be replaced twice (both under warranty thank goodness) as it had the problem with 2nd gear popping out and into neutral.

992Sam

says a lot about this forum that it's a 50/50 split for MT, but in the real world, 95% of the cars sold are PDK.. 😂

French Blue

I honestly think it might be a generational thing. Sure, I love driving a manual transmission when I get the chance to. It’s a fun, quirky experience, and as a car guy, it’s something I feel I should know how to do well. Like how a good sailor should know how to set a course by the stars, even if they’re always going to use the satnav.

I think the difference is, I missed out on manuals on the racing side. They have never been my experience, so I have zero nostalgia for them. When I think of a manual, I think “European rental Fiat 500”, not “race car”... So for me, a manual in a Porsche, particularly this latest 992 which runs like a bat out of hell... It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. I want to clock the fastest laps I can. A manual doesn’t factor into that. I am certainly curious to see what a monster of a daily driver / track toy like the 992 S feels like chained to a manual, but I definitely wouldn’t want that novelty as my main experience of the car...

russbert

Well it is supposedly single digits for Europe and around 20% for North America, and now I know why. It's the folks in this forum that drove that percentage UP! Wow, I never expected close to a 50-50% split, even with this being a forum full of ______ (pick your favorite term as already discussed).

HouTexCarreraS

I would really be surprised if it's 1 in 5 in NA. Where do you get your information?

russbert

Unfortunately I don't remember the exact article I read that gave those figures but here is a different extract from TopSpeed:

"Porsche North America CEO Klaus Zemmler made those comments in a conversation with Motor Authority. According to Zemmler, the Stuttgart-based automaker was actually looking into phasing out manual transmissions on its cars before public outcry forced it to reconsider. “We were actually on a path of fading out a manual transmission, and the outcry of our customers was so loud that of course we listened and with the last GT3s…we came back with a manual,” the CEO said.
“I can share with you that two-thirds of all GT3s ordered are being ordered with a manual, and that exceeds our original planning by far.”Porsche’s back-and-forth on using manual transmissions dates back a few years when it launched the current-generation 911 Turbo and the track-focused 911 GT3 with glaring omissions in their respective options lists. Neither model received options for a manual transmission. That decision sent Porsche fans, specifically fans of the weapons-grade GT3, into a frenzy. Porsche eventually listened and brought back the manual transmission, even though Zemmler also admits that only 20 to 25 percent of 911 and 911 S buyers choose a manual transmission."

russbert

Well one of my son's found it for me; it was in the August edition of Car & Driver:

"Porsche expects about 20 percent of U.S. buyers to go for the manual, which is similar to the mix for the outgoing 991.2 model and the highest take rate in the market. In Germany, that figure dips into the single digits. It helps that manual loyalists (there is our name we've been searching for) will find that the 911 really has no competition. Except for the Aston Martin Vantage AMR, the 911's direct competitors are automatic only."

hinckley

markchristenson

I like that! I need to remember to use that (as PDK, uh, loyalist).

brucewinter

If anyone is interested: