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The best ROI that you can get on a 911 is to drive it.
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That's what all season floor mats are for. I don't understand coddling modern 911s. They're best enjoyed and treated as cars. They're not delicate things and engineered for much more than you can subject them to on the street. Porsche makes so many of them, they're not particularly special either. I put over 35k miles on my 992C4S in 2 1/2 years. It was awesome enjoyed that way.
The best ROI that you can get on a 911 is to drive it.
The best ROI that you can get on a 911 is to drive it.
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If you only knew the "crap" manufacturers put their cars through having been a test driver for VDub/Audi/Bentley in their arctic test center here...
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Salt causes horrible corrosion even to aluminum. I saw it firsthand when we brought our cars out from California. One year's exposure to salt leaves everything underneath looking terrible. Causes mufflers to rust out really fast.
It's not like it's that much fun to carve up the corners in the winter weather. My other vehicle is a car/truck with AWD, truck tires, heated seats, and heated steering wheel. Much better to drive that and keep the 992 pristine.
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I actually find it very engaging to push on in winter conditions. The car is so capable that in the summer I have to be going ludicrously over the speed limit to really feel like I'm driving hard and having fun. On snow it can be a real challenge to be driving 30 to 50 mph on twisty roads. You really get to feel the limits of grip and have to use some delicate car control. Great fun and good for driving skills too. Life's short so I just want to enjoy the 911 every day I can.
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Well not quite up to my 2008 V8 modified Touareg but definitely agree and the reason, as you, that I optioned it out with those items. To see a 4S in CA or FL etc. turned into mall crawlers... sort of like the Panorama pictures, all pretty cars and not a spot of dirt on them in the weekly pics... but as usual YMMV.
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Humbly I submit that this may be conflating the point. It's not that the 911/4S isn't easily capable of winter driving if not FUN to drive in those conditions. It's that the salt will end that fun earlier than if the car had not been exposed to it. Salt is a killer on most materials and no amount of torture testing will eliminate that. It can only point towards mitigation possibilities in materials/coatings/design.
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Humbly I submit that this may be conflating the point. It's not that the 911/4S isn't easily capable of winter driving if not FUN to drive in those conditions. It's that the salt will end that fun earlier than if the car had not been exposed to it. Salt is a killer on most materials and no amount of torture testing will eliminate that. It can only point towards mitigation possibilities in materials/coatings/design.
My sentiments, also. I wouldn't even be bothered taking my 2WD C2S out in the snow, except for the salt. Of course, it would need winter tires. They make all the difference.
Besides, our car/truck actually has TORQUE VECTORING (!) and drives pretty much like a car. So I expect that it will be entertaining enough this winter.
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Agreed....not worried about anything other than I hate seeing the interior all messed up. We have a lot of salt on the roads up here. Q8 in the winter for me. Hard to tow sleds with a 911 too. I drove my 911 for about 1 month when I first got it. The permanent winter ice mounds in the middle of the road made driving it virtually impossible.