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Old 11-16-2022, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardsRed992
It is the salt that I am most worried about. Otherwise I would put on winters and drive it year round
Why exactly? The entire body and nearly the entire structure is aluminum. There's nothing to rust through. Put winters on and drive it year round.
Old 11-16-2022, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by detansinn
Why exactly? The entire body and nearly the entire structure is aluminum. There's nothing to rust through. Put winters on and drive it year round.
The suspension parts and bolts are steel.

Also, getting rid of salt stains inside the cabin is a nightmare
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Originally Posted by GuardsRed992
The suspension parts and bolts are steel.

Also, getting rid of salt stains inside the cabin is a nightmare
That's what all season floor mats are for. I don't understand coddling modern 911s. They're best enjoyed and treated as cars. They're not delicate things and engineered for much more than you can subject them to on the street. Porsche makes so many of them, they're not particularly special either. I put over 35k miles on my 992C4S in 2 1/2 years. It was awesome enjoyed that way.

The best ROI that you can get on a 911 is to drive it.
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Old 11-16-2022, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by detansinn
That's what all season floor mats are for. I don't understand coddling modern 911s. They're best enjoyed and treated as cars. They're not delicate things and engineered for much more than you can subject them to on the street. Porsche makes so many of them, they're not particularly special either. I put over 35k miles on my 992C4S in 2 1/2 years. It was awesome enjoyed that way.

The best ROI that you can get on a 911 is to drive it.
Everybody is different and that's ok. I lived outside Philly for several years before returning to Florida. The winter...meaning the salt/cinder they put down trashed my car and I did everything to avoid it with my care. NO WAY I would drive my 911 through that crap.
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Old 11-16-2022, 12:03 PM
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If you only knew the "crap" manufacturers put their cars through having been a test driver for VDub/Audi/Bentley in their arctic test center here...

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Originally Posted by siberian
If you only knew the "crap" manufacturers put their cars through having been a test driver for VDub/Audi/Bentley in their arctic test center here...

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I have no doubt the car could "take it" in a sense, but why, when you have another vehicle to drive?
Salt causes horrible corrosion even to aluminum. I saw it firsthand when we brought our cars out from California. One year's exposure to salt leaves everything underneath looking terrible. Causes mufflers to rust out really fast.
It's not like it's that much fun to carve up the corners in the winter weather. My other vehicle is a car/truck with AWD, truck tires, heated seats, and heated steering wheel. Much better to drive that and keep the 992 pristine.
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It's not like it's that much fun to carve up the corners in the winter weather.
I actually find it very engaging to push on in winter conditions. The car is so capable that in the summer I have to be going ludicrously over the speed limit to really feel like I'm driving hard and having fun. On snow it can be a real challenge to be driving 30 to 50 mph on twisty roads. You really get to feel the limits of grip and have to use some delicate car control. Great fun and good for driving skills too. Life's short so I just want to enjoy the 911 every day I can.
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Old 11-16-2022, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by garthg
My other vehicle is a car/truck with AWD, truck tires, heated seats, and heated steering wheel. Much better to drive that and keep the 992 pristine.
My 992 is a car with AWD, winter tires, heated seats and heated steering wheel. Much better to drive than my SUV.

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Old 11-16-2022, 01:29 PM
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Well not quite up to my 2008 V8 modified Touareg but definitely agree and the reason, as you, that I optioned it out with those items. To see a 4S in CA or FL etc. turned into mall crawlers... sort of like the Panorama pictures, all pretty cars and not a spot of dirt on them in the weekly pics... but as usual YMMV.

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Originally Posted by Drew46
My 992 is a car with AWD, winter tires, heated seats and heated steering wheel. Much better to drive than my SUV.
Humbly I submit that this may be conflating the point. It's not that the 911/4S isn't easily capable of winter driving if not FUN to drive in those conditions. It's that the salt will end that fun earlier than if the car had not been exposed to it. Salt is a killer on most materials and no amount of torture testing will eliminate that. It can only point towards mitigation possibilities in materials/coatings/design.
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Originally Posted by Vicbastige
Humbly I submit that this may be conflating the point. It's not that the 911/4S isn't easily capable of winter driving if not FUN to drive in those conditions. It's that the salt will end that fun earlier than if the car had not been exposed to it. Salt is a killer on most materials and no amount of torture testing will eliminate that. It can only point towards mitigation possibilities in materials/coatings/design.

My sentiments, also. I wouldn't even be bothered taking my 2WD C2S out in the snow, except for the salt. Of course, it would need winter tires. They make all the difference.
Besides, our car/truck actually has TORQUE VECTORING (!) and drives pretty much like a car. So I expect that it will be entertaining enough this winter.
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Originally Posted by GuardsRed992
The suspension parts and bolts are steel.

Also, getting rid of salt stains inside the cabin is a nightmare
Agreed....not worried about anything other than I hate seeing the interior all messed up. We have a lot of salt on the roads up here. Q8 in the winter for me. Hard to tow sleds with a 911 too. I drove my 911 for about 1 month when I first got it. The permanent winter ice mounds in the middle of the road made driving it virtually impossible.



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