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Old 06-18-2020 | 02:41 PM
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Just popped up on their website. Nice to see them testing nearly every iteration of the 992.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
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Great read! Thanks for passing along.
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Thanks! It's great to see PCNA putting manual cars on their press fleet.
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Damn, they neutered launch control in the MT cars.
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Damn, they neutered launch control in the MT cars.
Yes, they did, in efforts to not have wheel spin. You can slip the clutch and get higher RPM, but not enough to break the back end loose...

I am still confused by his write up on the clutch, seems like he was saying the company that makes the manual, modified the dual clutch to make the manual work. I would be really curious to learn more about that - as I do not think you can make that work, I was sure that they replaced the while clutch assembly with a single cutch set up. Maybe I am misreading what he was writing, need to read it again.

Wow - I stand corrected, reading through this https://www.zf.com/products/en/cars/...nchor_link_397 about the specs of the ZF manual transmission, they actually electronically control the 2 clutches via software to cycle through odd gears with one clutch and even with the other, electronically controlling the standard H pattern. That is pretty cool.

Also frightening if I ever need to replace this clutch, as I would have not idea how to do that with a dual clutch, and I am betting the cost is not inexpensive :-(

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As a result, Matt Farah couldn't do a burnout in the car...

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Previously, owners with manuals didn't have to worry about PDK/dual clutch failure, but this MECOSA system with ZF transmission would appear to negate that advantage now.
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"If everyone on C/D's staff had the means to buy a 911, everyone would order a manual". 'nuf said.
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Originally Posted by Richard_Wallace
..... Wow - I stand corrected, reading through this https://www.zf.com/products/en/cars/...nchor_link_397 about the specs of the ZF manual transmission, they actually electronically control the 2 clutches via software to cycle through odd gears with one clutch and even with the other, electronically controlling the standard H pattern. That is pretty cool.

Also frightening if I ever need to replace this clutch, as I would have not idea how to do that with a dual clutch, and I am betting the cost is not inexpensive :-(
Here is the information from the your ZF website:

Worldwide First 7-Speed Manual Transmission For Passenger Cars Comes From ZF

The 7-speed manual transmission is the first manual transmission with 7 gears that is available for passenger cars. It was created based on the 7-speed dual clutch transmission by ZF. The 7MT is responsible for the new, fast gear shifting characteristics. The developed converted shifting actuator allows a classic H-shift pattern to be combined with dual-clutch gear sets.

Advantages

  • High shifting comfort and sportive shifting forces
  • Optimized transmission weight and high effectiveness also contribute to fuel efficiency
  • Start-Stop capable
  • Patented system to prevent operating error: Shift up into seventh gear immediately after having shifted to fifth or sixth beforehand
  • Same components as the 7-speed dual-clutch transmission due to modular system
  • Designed for all-wheel systems and slip differential available


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Old 06-18-2020 | 08:17 PM
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Since my 992 is going to be Guards Red and will be coming via Jacksonville, FL I looked very close to make sure it wasn't mine. So where are my 20 percent(ers) who want to join my M.O.M. club?

You know, Manual Owners Matter!

On a more serious note, do y'all really believe this will be the last MT 911?
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Old 06-18-2020 | 08:23 PM
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I just traded in my 7MT 991.2 GTS on Monday for an ordered 7MT 992 C2S. Guys, if you’re on the fence about manual vs PDK, just get the manual. We need to keep manuals around otherwise Porsche is going the route of Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren and going 100% automatic route. #SaveTheManuals
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Originally Posted by T3X4S
Previously, owners with manuals didn't have to worry about PDK/dual clutch failure, but this MECOSA system with ZF transmission would appear to negate that advantage now.
Actually with this system, a dual clutch, the longevity should be much more bullet proof than a single clutch manual system. The dual clutch is (in todays DC wet clutch setups) much more robust and durable (In any of the porsches, McLarens, etc. Look how many times you can hard launch a car without going through a clutch). So longevity should be better than a single clutch system. The other advantage, you likely would have either odd or even gears if one of the clutch plates fail.

The upside being a more robust clutch system, the down side is if needing replaced, lots more money than a simple single clutch setup...

I am glad I have my 992 C4S in manual, wouldn't want a PDK for this car for me, and frankly miss manual transmissions, as my other current cars fun cars only come in Auto. While the current autos in my F cars and Mac are really good, and flawless - just not as connected to the driving experience as a manual.
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I would have loved to have kept driving a manual, but my left knee objected strenuously (and painfully). Since trading in my manual Chevy SS for a C4S PDK my knee is much less painful. I do miss shifting, but I don't miss limping.
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My 2020 Aston Martin vantage amr manual.

Waiting for my manual targa, as well

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Originally Posted by brucewinter

My 2020 Aston Martin vantage amr manual.

Waiting for my manual targa, as well
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