PSE function and necessity for resale
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PSE function and necessity for resale
Two questions regarding PSE:
- My understanding is that PSE only changes the sound of the car. Specifically, the engine is louder and maybe raspier. It does nothing performance-wise. Is this true? (If it is true, I definitely am not interested in the option. The car is already loud enough.)
- I've had several dealers claim that PSE is a must have option for resale even if I don't want it myself.
- Is the demand out there that strong for PSE?
- If it is, can't it be added after the sale?
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Performance is negligible. Sound depends on the person - I personally think it sounds (and looks) much better. You are spending 100k+... what is another 3k, unless you dislike the aesthetics of it.
If you are going to try to resale it on your own, the lack of SC and PSE will likely have you waiting for the right buyer looking for a stripper build. If you plan on returning it to a dealer for the next thing, I wouldn't really worry about it.
If you are going to try to resale it on your own, the lack of SC and PSE will likely have you waiting for the right buyer looking for a stripper build. If you plan on returning it to a dealer for the next thing, I wouldn't really worry about it.
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If you don't like it and don't want it, then leave it off your order. It's the same situation as sunroofs, leather, standard sound systems vs. upgrades...some SAs would have you believe a car in unsaleable unless it has the options THEY want. I could certainly live without PSE and would buy a car without it (and like some here actually prefer the 4-pipe tip), however in the case of a C4 the Sport Package gets you PTv+ and Sport Chrono (both of which I wanted) bundled with SE (which I could take or leave) for only $700 Can. more than PTV+ and SC as standalone options. The beauty of SE is that it can be turned on and off.
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If you are buying the car with the inclination you might sell it, then I would spec it. It is good to have options and while some won't care, others will when considering your car for sale. I personally prefer my GTS without the PSE engaged as I prefer the more understated (natural) sound of the engine, minus the cracks and pops. In my GT3, the difference in the sound with PSE on and off is negligible and I usually leave it off there as well. Of course, in both the GTS and GT3, PSE is standard. The nice thing about adding it to your build is the future buyer can use it or not use it. It is not like spec'ing the car in racing yellow which you can't turn on or off and is an all-or-nothing proposition.
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Yes, PSE can be added later for about $1,000 more then the option price, so no effect on resale (if you're worried about that).
The standard exhaust quad tips look much better IMHO (which you still get to keep if you decide to add PSE later).
No performance enhancement with PSE.
The car sounds amazing with the standard exhaust and, as you said, is loud enough.
The standard exhaust quad tips look much better IMHO (which you still get to keep if you decide to add PSE later).
No performance enhancement with PSE.
The car sounds amazing with the standard exhaust and, as you said, is loud enough.
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Personally, I don't believe that it impacts resale that much. I think it's a just upsell tactic by the dealer.
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I call BS on it hurting resale. Honestly I typically end up trading my cars in rather than private sale in which case the best result is going to be with a white/silver etc low spec base C2 every time. GT cars excluded.
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I would agree that trade in values are not generally affected significantly by individual options -- typically the highest return, in my experience, has been with a low option car.
That said, if you are selling the car yourself, desirable options may make a difference in how quickly the car sells.
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I agree with all you guys. PSE may (just may) help with a private sale, but how many of us really do that? If you want it, buy it. If not, leave it off.
I've had PSE on all my 911s and even retro-fitted it to my first one. When ordering a 992, I'll be leaving it off. The car does sound great, but I've learned over the years it sounds better outside the car than inside of it and I don't need to spend money to make others think my car sounds good. Also, I don't know if it's the same in a 992, but in my 991.1, I actually turn PSE off when steady speed cruising on the highway due a very annoying drone (to my ear). Finally, I just prefer the quad pipe look. So I've run out of reasons to spend another $2 or $3k.
I've had PSE on all my 911s and even retro-fitted it to my first one. When ordering a 992, I'll be leaving it off. The car does sound great, but I've learned over the years it sounds better outside the car than inside of it and I don't need to spend money to make others think my car sounds good. Also, I don't know if it's the same in a 992, but in my 991.1, I actually turn PSE off when steady speed cruising on the highway due a very annoying drone (to my ear). Finally, I just prefer the quad pipe look. So I've run out of reasons to spend another $2 or $3k.
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Trading in is a completely different story than actually selling your car.
I would agree that trade in values are not generally affected significantly by individual options -- typically the highest return, in my experience, has been with a low option car.
That said, if you are selling the car yourself, desirable options may make a difference in how quickly the car sells.
I would agree that trade in values are not generally affected significantly by individual options -- typically the highest return, in my experience, has been with a low option car.
That said, if you are selling the car yourself, desirable options may make a difference in how quickly the car sells.
But the entire trade-in versus selling it yourself is also a key component. Sounds like yours will NOT have it and that works just fine.
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Is that true for the 992? While that was the case for the 991, I thought it was more difficult/expensive for the 992 due to the integration into the rear body parts.
Personally, I don't believe that it impacts resale that much. I think it's a just upsell tactic by the dealer.
Personally, I don't believe that it impacts resale that much. I think it's a just upsell tactic by the dealer.