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Old 05-14-2020 | 01:16 PM
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Does anybody know why the EPA mileage ratings dropped so much from one generation to the next? Was it a change in the testing procedure, or some feature that changed? I don’t think it was the engine or transmission changes. One is not significant enough and the other should have changed it the other way.
Old 05-14-2020 | 01:21 PM
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same top speed .. more gears .. i'm assuming the gears are shorter?
Old 05-14-2020 | 01:43 PM
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Interesting. That's quite a change; if anything I'd expect the 8 speed to have slightly better mileage. My guess is EPA changed how they calculate the mpg.
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Got curious so I looked up my car -- the 2017 911 GTS is rated at 18 and 26.
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wow that's a lot lower!
Old 05-14-2020 | 03:08 PM
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This may be the reason (below). The EPA methodology for calculating MPG changed in 2017. I suspect that the 991.2 MPG's were calculated on a '17 model built in '16.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ratings.shtml
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That is a huge drop - something changed. It's essentially the same engine and chassis and aerodynamics. Drag coefficient has not changed. I suspect that the standard for measuring fuel performance must have changed.

I did check the Porsche web site and the numbers above posted by the OP are correct.
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For the city mpg, I think the answer is obvious. Y'all are having a LOT more FUN driving it and launching your PDK's way too much! LOL

It has to be a different type of calculation given the highway mileage has dropped 20%! And that with an 8th gear (PDK) and 7th for MT.

What are some of you seeing re: mileage?
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Old 05-14-2020 | 04:10 PM
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Pretty simple.

Porsche had to rely on the EPA doing the break in, coast down and certification in light of past non-conformance. Compounding that they now had to be robust for catalyst light off at Full Useful Life to the EPA’s satisfaction. The first causes measured fuel economy to be a bit pessimistic. The latter increases fuel consumption. Lastly under current rules the manual shift test schedule would have been the old Z schedule if Porsche did not have any data proving that customers shift differently than that. With the Z schedule fuel economy will get much worse with the more gears you have since it is based on set vehicle speeds for shifting out of each gear based on a four speed.

BTW my car just came back from a 1300+ mile trip where it averaged over 26 mph through mountains.
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Originally Posted by Michigan 992
Pretty simple.

Porsche had to rely on the EPA doing the break in, coast down and certification in light of past non-conformance. Compounding that they now had to be robust for catalyst light off at Full Useful Life to the EPA’s satisfaction. The first causes measured fuel economy to be a bit pessimistic. The latter increases fuel consumption. Lastly under current rules the manual shift test schedule would have been the old Z schedule if Porsche did not have any data proving that customers shift differently than that. With the Z schedule fuel economy will get much worse with the more gears you have since it is based on set vehicle speeds for shifting out of each gear based on a four speed.

BTW my car just came back from a 1300+ mile trip where it averaged over 26 mph through mountains.
Agree with above, the EPA came down hard on the whole VW/Audi group.

My window sticker on my Manual Transmission 4S actually says 17/24 - so the base with PDK does 1mpg better in city driving evidently :-)

I have averaged over the 500 miles thus far (and most of it is backroad - non-highway) - 22mpg (I am doing break in so keeping it under 4-4.5K rpms much of the time). I am pretty sure on the highway, in 6th or 7th - you could get 26mpg. Which of my many cars, including family cars, this is my most economical car I have :-(
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I am still driving
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Not that I really care, but my mileage sucks. If you drive it properly, this will happen.
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Originally Posted by rk-d
Not that I really care, but my mileage sucks. If you drive it properly, this will happen.
lol my daily driver is an F150 .. i'm loving this mileage
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My 2019 GTS 7MT under lightly spirited driving gets 22 mpg. On track, about 12. When cruising long distance on the highway, I get about 26 mpg.
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The Specs (graphics) that were supposed to show above but didn't were using 98 RON gas; URBAN fuel consumption was 14.5L/100km; Extra Urban was 7.3L / 100km and Combined was 10L / 100km.

OK, so please check my math and explain my "errors" in calculations. Above is taken from the EU 992 7MT specs, and 100km = 62.137 miles and 10L is about 2.64 gals. My calculations say those numbers above translate to 16.2 mpg (city/urban), 32.2 mpg (highway / extra-urban), and 23.5 mpg combined. Now, I understand that 98 RON gas is about 93.5 octane in the U.S. and I only use 93 but these calculations still baffle me. The best highway mileage I ever got in my 996TT was about 27.5 ... it was usually quite a bit lower given the speed I usually drive. I find it hard to believe those are published numbers.


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