Back-to-back C2 / C2s drives
#16
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For me one of the best factors of the 992 with rear axle steer is the sublime steering feel. Because the drive is permanently connected to the 4S's front wheels I felt the steering feel became corrupted on the 4S.
Sure the 4S is more grippy in the wet etc but the new wet mode takes care of the car in wet conditions anyway.
As for very poor weather, snow etc, we have a new Cayenne S that handles that stuff better than any 911 so there is that.
#17
I felt the opposite about the 4S.
For me one of the best factors of the 992 with rear axle steer is the sublime steering feel. Because the drive is permanently connected to the 4S's front wheels I felt the steering feel became corrupted on the 4S.
Sure the 4S is more grippy in the wet etc but the new wet mode takes care of the car in wet conditions anyway.
As for very poor weather, snow etc, we have a new Cayenne S that handles that stuff better than any 911 so there is that.
For me one of the best factors of the 992 with rear axle steer is the sublime steering feel. Because the drive is permanently connected to the 4S's front wheels I felt the steering feel became corrupted on the 4S.
Sure the 4S is more grippy in the wet etc but the new wet mode takes care of the car in wet conditions anyway.
As for very poor weather, snow etc, we have a new Cayenne S that handles that stuff better than any 911 so there is that.
#18
Naturally 4S will have monster grip. I think the point is that the feel of the 2S is better (particularly the steering).
Subjective of course, but I agree with that assessment.
Subjective of course, but I agree with that assessment.
#19
I think it comes down to what the car is being used for. If it's a daily driver, there are a lot of extra benefits to the 4/4S.. I think the AWD translates well in real world use in all weather conditions. If it's a weekend mountain carver and/or track car, the 2S is a really good choice. You can make either work in either role, but that's the simplest way to look at what Porsche seems to have intended.
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My thinking as well. The real comparison may be with the manual 992 and it's mechanical LSD. A bit old school these days but for many of us that's fine.
#23
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Thanks for the kind words, everyone. I'm glad I could help a little. Lots of great observations and follow up for me to think about.
You know, I didn't notice this in the 991.2 C4S we drove back-to-back with a 992 C4S a few months ago. I posted brief impressions elsewhere, but the gist was that the 991.2 was louder, rawer and more visceral than the 992. We both actually preferred its drive over the 992, which was faster but a little bit sterile -- only by comparison. The 991.2 was just more fun. It was the electronics and interior where the 991.2 showed its age.
Several of you brought up the 7MT Question, one that I'm still wrestling with. My current DD is a 6MT; I've had about a dozen manual transmission cars, and am kind of a snob about it. So in a vacuum I'd be all over the 7MT C2S. But the 992 will be a split DD between my wife and me, and her clutch leg is getting tired. She really wants the PDK. And never having owned a PDK, I think it's pretty damned incredible technology that maybe I should try out on an extended basis.
I'm withholding judgment until I get to drive a 7MT, though. If I fall in love with the manual tranny, she may have to take her Cayenne an extra day or two each week if she gets tired of that third pedal.
You know, I didn't notice this in the 991.2 C4S we drove back-to-back with a 992 C4S a few months ago. I posted brief impressions elsewhere, but the gist was that the 991.2 was louder, rawer and more visceral than the 992. We both actually preferred its drive over the 992, which was faster but a little bit sterile -- only by comparison. The 991.2 was just more fun. It was the electronics and interior where the 991.2 showed its age.
Several of you brought up the 7MT Question, one that I'm still wrestling with. My current DD is a 6MT; I've had about a dozen manual transmission cars, and am kind of a snob about it. So in a vacuum I'd be all over the 7MT C2S. But the 992 will be a split DD between my wife and me, and her clutch leg is getting tired. She really wants the PDK. And never having owned a PDK, I think it's pretty damned incredible technology that maybe I should try out on an extended basis.
I'm withholding judgment until I get to drive a 7MT, though. If I fall in love with the manual tranny, she may have to take her Cayenne an extra day or two each week if she gets tired of that third pedal.
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#24
This is the debate I'm going through looking at the C2 vs C2S...the extra power is fantastic, but unless you have the time and ability to use it, it's just hard to feel like it's worth it in my case. At the end of the day, I can spec a base C2 to what I want for around $114k, while a C2S with more of a "I don't HAVE to have those options but still have the must haves" is around $123k. 9k vs 16k makes it a lot closer, but I just don't think I'd have the ability in my daily commute to make the difference in power really worth it.
#25
Thank you, I did the same with the C2 and Taycan Turbo. I was ready to walk out with the Taycan, they are fast and fun. But I am going to stick with my C2 order and maybe upgrade to electric in 3 years.
#26
This is the debate I'm going through looking at the C2 vs C2S...the extra power is fantastic, but unless you have the time and ability to use it, it's just hard to feel like it's worth it in my case. At the end of the day, I can spec a base C2 to what I want for around $114k, while a C2S with more of a "I don't HAVE to have those options but still have the must haves" is around $123k. 9k vs 16k makes it a lot closer, but I just don't think I'd have the ability in my daily commute to make the difference in power really worth it.
#27
Great write-up. Got the c2s primarily because I had an early delivery and the c2 wasn’t available, but am not regretting it. Autobahn Porsche in Fort Worth by the way!
#28
OP, thanks so much for the thoughtful, helpful post!
Wonder how similar our builds our. My C2 build on order is $115; my "bare bones" C2S I considered as a substitute is $125k!
This is the debate I'm going through looking at the C2 vs C2S...the extra power is fantastic, but unless you have the time and ability to use it, it's just hard to feel like it's worth it in my case. At the end of the day, I can spec a base C2 to what I want for around $114k, while a C2S with more of a "I don't HAVE to have those options but still have the must haves" is around $123k. 9k vs 16k makes it a lot closer, but I just don't think I'd have the ability in my daily commute to make the difference in power really worth it.
#29
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#30
Instructor
Here's a C2S review by Henry Catchpole who knows his stuff.
Go to 4 minutes if you don't want to watch the whole thing.
By the way, where are the 4 wheel drive versions of GT3, GT3RS and GT2RS? (I'm not rolling my eyes, honest).
Go to 4 minutes if you don't want to watch the whole thing.
By the way, where are the 4 wheel drive versions of GT3, GT3RS and GT2RS? (I'm not rolling my eyes, honest).