When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.
Motortrend's Jonny Lieberman has been doing this cool design comparison series on Instagram. A few hours ago, he posted a 992 vs 991 comparison, taking aim at the size and weight nonsense. The car is an inch longer and 60lbs heavier than the 991.2. See below.
Compared to the base Carrera, yes, it’s 60lbs heavier, but compared to a GTS, which both are now widebodies, the difference is negligible, hence why the 992 Carrera S and 991.2 GTS have such similar performance.
Looking forward to Lieberman's "get a grip people" followups on the 992 gauges, dash design, door handles and other "issues" that wound a small group of folks in knots.
This is great, I’ve been wondering about adjusting for this and that, and this answers a lot of that.
I feel liked I’ve read so many articles where the author speaks to it being obviously larger, wider, heavier, etc, and I think a lot of that is nuanced.
so... theoretically, a Carrera 4S, which was already in a “medium-body”, with the “lightweight” transmission (7mt, which I assume doesn’t have the extra weight of the 992 PDK’s new “hybrid-ready” features), might come in exactly the same width, under an inch longer, same wheelbase, wider track, and maybe even under 50lbs heavier.
My ordered 992 C2S is more lightly optioned than my 991.2 C2S, I dropped a glass sunroof, 18-ways and RAS, who knows, maybe I’m close to even...
This is great, I’ve been wondering about adjusting for this and that, and this answers a lot of that.
I feel liked I’ve read so many articles where the author speaks to it being obviously larger, wider, heavier, etc, and I think a lot of that is nuanced.
so... theoretically, a Carrera 4S, which was already in a “medium-body”, with the “lightweight” transmission (7mt, which I assume doesn’t have the extra weight of the 992 PDK’s new “hybrid-ready” features), might come in exactly the same width, under an inch longer, same wheelbase, wider track, and maybe even under 50lbs heavier.
My ordered 992 C2S is more lightly optioned than my 991.2 C2S, I dropped a glass sunroof, 18-ways and RAS, who knows, maybe I’m close to even...
18 ways and glass sunroof are heavy I suspect - those are some of the easiest ways to shed pounds. RAS is not that bad.
I didn't want a sunroof and I preferred the 4 ways, so it worked out for me. If I wanted either 18 ways or sunroof, I'm not sure weight would dissuade me. It's more like a nice bonus.
According to the cars C&D tested/weighed, the base 992 C2S was very slightly heavier. But the 991 C2S test car had PCCB, without which it would have been very slightly heavier (I posted links in another thread around here a few weeks ago).
I expect once we see manual transmission models tested, and GT models with their PDK-S transmissions, the 992 will be decisively lighter.
According to the cars C&D tested/weighed, the base 992 C2S was very slightly heavier. But the 991 C2S test car had PCCB, without which it would have been very slightly heavier (I posted links in another thread around here a few weeks ago).
I expect once we see manual transmission models tested, and GT models with their PDK-S transmissions, the 992 will be decisively lighter.
I thought PCCBs are lighter - neighborhood of 40 lbs
Yes...the weight difference between the two [Edit: US spec] C&D test cars was ~20lbs IIRC; the 991 having PCCBs...so without them it would theoretically have been ~20lbs heavier than the 992 C2S tested by C&D.
Point being, the [Edit: US spec] 992 does not appear to be 60lbs heavier, despite what Jonny said in his post.
Edit: I'm not sure he's correct about the rear being 1" longer, either...I believe it's the front, and due to the nose being a bit more 'pointy'.
Regardless, we are splitting hairs on both counts.
Last edited by Alan Smithee; 01-28-2020 at 04:14 PM.
Yes...the weight difference between the two C&D test cars was ~20lbs IIRC; the 991 having PCCBs...so without them it would theoretically have been ~20lbs heavier than the 992 C2S tested by C&D.
Point being, the 992 does not appear to be 60lbs heavier, despite what Jonny said in his post.
No. You didn’t misread it. Or I’m missing something, again. Which is possible. The Smithee post stated that the 991 had PCCB. In the C&D photo, the 992 has the PCCB (lighter). Maybe they accounted for this when they drew a comparison ? In general, I’m indifferent to the slight weight or size differences. In fact, my GAF level is low.
I did enjoy (and thought fair) Lieberman's comments regarding the design differences between the cars.The front, the rear and that third light. The surfacing comment was interesting. Maybe that’s part of what we pay for versus a GT350 ? The esoteric is a little more expensive.
There’s a 992 sitting right in the middle of the F Concourse at ATL. Painted in Coca Cola racing colors. It looks cool. I remain sanguine.
No. You didn’t misread it. Or I’m missing something, again. Which is possible. The Smithee post stated that the 991 had PCCB. In the C&D photo, the 992 has the PCCB (lighter). Maybe they accounted for this when they drew a comparison ? In general, I’m indifferent to the slight weight or size differences. In fact, my GAF level is low.
I did enjoy (and thought fair) Lieberman's comments regarding the design differences between the cars.The front, the rear and that third light. The surfacing comment was interesting. Maybe that’s part of what we pay for versus a GT350 ? The esoteric is a little more expensive.
There’s a 992 sitting right in the middle of the F Concourse at ATL. Painted in Coca Cola racing colors. It looks cool. I remain sanguine.
You're right - I guess they just picked two pictures for the post that aren't relevant to the data they posted.
No. You didn’t misread it. Or I’m missing something, again. Which is possible. The Smithee post stated that the 991 had PCCB. In the C&D photo, the 992 has the PCCB (lighter). Maybe they accounted for this when they drew a comparison ? In general, I’m indifferent to the slight weight or size differences. In fact, my GAF level is low.
Yes, you are missing something. Jonny does not write or post for C&D.
Originally Posted by Golfster
The weights came from the links in the thread referencing C and D's comparison between the 992S and the AMG GT Coupe
Thanks. Lieberman spent so much time referring to the photos above his post, that it looked backward.
That doesn’t look like 60lb. either. But I’m probably missing something else. Or he’s full of it. 😋. Didn’t Porsche talk about the weight difference ? I’ll take their numbers ........ on weight. Not times. Maybe.
01-28-2020, 08:44 AM
992 is 60lbs heavier than the 991
