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Old Jan 7, 2020 | 08:28 PM
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I've suddenly found myself in a bit of a struggle. I'm committed to getting a 911 but it's right at the edge of my price range. Currently I have a 992 C2 with a build that locks mid February. The cost, with discount & tax, comes out to about $127k.

I have been looking at some CPO, very low mileage 2016-2017 4S models that are very well spec'd, nearly the exact same as what I'd do. I could get one of those for $107k, including tax, or potentially down to even 95ish.

I've driven the 992 a few times and love it. I drove a 991.1 and did not love it, but have not driven a 991.2. My understanding is the 992 base should be about equivalent performance wise to a 991.2 S, although in this case I'd also gain AWD (which is a benefit for me)

Basically I'd be giving up a couple of nice vacations to get the 992 C2 over the 991.2 4S.

For those who have extensively driven a 991.2 and 992.. if you had to choose which direction would you go for a 20k mile/year daily driver? A 991.2 4S + 2 vacations or a 992 C2?

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Old Jan 7, 2020 | 08:44 PM
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If you've got family (kids, etc), those vacations mean something. If getting the 992 means that you're lobbing off vacations, get the CPO 991.2 C4S.

Porsche's CPO program adds 2 years, unlimited miles to whatever is left on the original warranty. Considering that you're looking at 20k mile/year, that's also some piece of mind.

With a used 911, the worst of the depreciation is behind you. So, when you do trade it in or sell it, you won't be losing your shirt... er uh as badly.

I am not from the school of thought that a person should overextend themselves for any of this stuff. When I hear someone tell me about their 8-10year loan or some garbage lease arrangement, I just cringe. Get something that you can enjoy and be comfortable with!

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Old Jan 7, 2020 | 08:54 PM
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$127k seems high for a base. I was able to get my order down to $117k ($122k MSRP). But because of the delay with the base orders I ended up getting an S that was on the lot. I was able to get it for $130k ($138k MSRP). So if you look you can get some great deals on 992 S and 4S models that are on the lot.
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Old Jan 7, 2020 | 08:58 PM
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$127k seems high for a base. I was able to get my order down to $117k ($122k MSRP). But because of the delay with the base orders I ended up getting an S that was on the lot. I was able to get it for $130k ($138k MSRP). So if you look you can get some great deals on 992 S and 4S models that are on the lot.
The $127k includes our insane tax rate here. MSRP of $117,900 (or $114,300 if I resist nicer wheels).

No family, just me. Hence why I'm willing to consider the extra $ for the exact car I want and pretty torn. These two "vacations" are hypothetical and no particular reason to think I can't earn back that money by the time I'll need it, I almost certainly can. I'd just want to pay the extra $20k upfront to cover depreciation off the lot.
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Old Jan 7, 2020 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GratedWasabi
The $127k includes our insane tax rate here. MSRP of $117,900 (or $114,300 if I resist nicer wheels).

No family, just me. Hence why I'm willing to consider the extra $ for the exact car I want and pretty torn. These two "vacations" are hypothetical and no particular reason to think I can't earn back that money by the time I'll need it, I almost certainly can. I'd just want to pay the extra $20k upfront to cover depreciation off the lot.
Then, just get the 992. Smoke’em while you got em. Take a vacation in the car. Problem solved. 🤪

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Old Jan 7, 2020 | 11:29 PM
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Ask yourself if you'd regret not getting the 992 when you are sat in your 2 year old 991.2 and a 992 is next to you at the lights.

Soundd to me like you want the 992. Life is short, get it.
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 12:13 AM
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I just traded my nominally optioned base 991.2 for a 992 C2S. Totally worth the upgrade. Apart from the profound difference in performance (going from the base to the S), the 992 destroys the 991's tech offerings (which is important to me). It's not even close. I was also considering trading for a CPO '19 C4S but after driving the 992 it wasn't even debatable for me. My insurance costs also went down due to the enhanced safety components in the 992. I was able to purchase a dealer demo at a good discount with most of the options I would have spec'd in a build.

The 992 is incredible... buy it and don't look back.
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I've got a like new 2900 mile c4s 2019 thats got a ton of clear bra, cobb tune, Fabspeed sport cats and lowered on eibach that Im about to trade in for 117k (agate with Bordeaux and black interior 145k sticker) when my 992 comes. You're welcome to that if you want, my 992 comes in 2 weeks haha. Overall, the 991.2 is a fantastic car, and the 992 is improved a bit over that, but both do the 911 trick so well.
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GratedWasabi
I've suddenly found myself in a bit of a struggle. I'm committed to getting a 911 but it's right at the edge of my price range. Currently I have a 992 C2 with a build that locks mid February. The cost, with discount & tax, comes out to about $127k.

I have been looking at some CPO, very low mileage 2016-2017 4S models that are very well spec'd, nearly the exact same as what I'd do. I could get one of those for $107k, including tax, or potentially down to even 95ish.

I've driven the 992 a few times and love it. I drove a 991.1 and did not love it, but have not driven a 991.2. My understanding is the 992 base should be about equivalent performance wise to a 991.2 S, although in this case I'd also gain AWD (which is a benefit for me)

Basically I'd be giving up a couple of nice vacations to get the 992 C2 over the 991.2 4S.

For those who have extensively driven a 991.2 and 992.. if you had to choose which direction would you go for a 20k mile/year daily driver? A 991.2 4S + 2 vacations or a 992 C2?

Appreciate any additional help/insight.
I was faced with a similar choice. I went for the base C2 992, kept the options to a minimum, got a discount for taking a cancellation slot (still with total build flexibility) and ended up with a dream car, bang up-to-date, for a relatively modest £85k. After 1000 miles, I've not regretted my decision for a nano-second.
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 03:14 PM
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Thanks everyone. You've convinced me to follow through on the 992. This might be the only opportunity I have to get the expensive sports car I want exactly as I want it, so might as well take it.
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 10:07 PM
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You've made your decision. But let me add that I understand your quandary EXACTLY.

We bought a 2019 9Y0 Cayenne Turbo last year for my wife. That started our Porsche love affair. Since then, we've driven all sorts of vehicles in an (unsuccessful) effort to get off the Porsche drain-your-savings train for my next vehicle. Turns out, it's a 911 or bust. But which 911?

The smart choice financially is a leftover 991.2 Carrera 4S or S. Our dealer is offering $20K or more off MSRP on lot cars without asking. Back in November, we were handed the keys to a 991.2 C4S and 992 C4S. "Have fun," our SA told us. "Try to bring them back in one piece."

The verdict? The 991.2 was a more visceral drive. It was rawer, more emotive in every way. We preferred its styling to the 992, with its overly busy rear- and front-end and Porsche's new fascination with cheap-*** gray plastic on full display. But none of that outweighed the interior and tech of the 992, which generally matches that in her Cayenne. The PCM in the 991.2 took me back to my Nintendo days. Porsche's recent affair with buttons was obvious. Is the latter a problem? No. Functionally, buttons work better than soft taps and menus in her Cayenne and the 992. But they also look dated.

In the end, it was the 992 by a mile. We plan to custom-order a 992 base C2 with about $30K in options, or a 992 C2S with closer to $20K in options. My guess is we'll go with the base model. Her Cayenne is a high 11 / low 12-second car. The base 992 looks to come in about the same. Which means it's a ridiculously fast car as a DD, almost too much for the street. Enough for us. (That C4S was outrageous, though. I get it. For the street, the 992 C2S and C4S make the Turbo a nonstarter. GT cars are a different animal, purely as an investment.)

Good luck on your purchase. Get that 992 and don't look back. You only live once. Vacations are cool, yes. They make memories. But they also lose 100 percent of their value. Make your memories in a 992 and save some damned cash.
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 12:43 AM
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992....always get the newest Porsche you can afford
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 11:54 AM
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The base version is fantastic.

I specked the colour, cloth inserts on the seats, chalk seat stitching and a pair of door stickers.

It is very very quick, very responsive, quite loud with the standard exhaust.

Dont get sucked in to buying options it doesn't need (like Sport Chrono, a sports exhaust and 21 inch wheels.!)

James




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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 11:59 AM
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992. Period.
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 12:31 PM
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I had a similar choice and went 992. Get the car the way you want it and you'll have no regrets!
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