RAS, skip or must have?
12-21-2019, 01:40 PM
#31
Three Wheelin'
RAS to record any lap time is a cheat IMO. And in the opinion of every race circuit on the planet. It’s using parlor tricks to cut time off a lap, and would not be considered a true race car. Porsche 911 legacy IS their racing history. That being said, this is JUST my opinion when talking about track time and lap times. RAS for the GT car is a fine choice. Track car? It’s just a gimmick
In a perfect word... we could all have one tech'd out car in the garage, and one purist GT car with roll cage, cloth seats, and a 7 speed stick shift... but the world is full of compromises,
12-21-2019, 01:41 PM
#32
Since I didn't say a word about RAS in a race car I don't have to disagree.
But: if it were legal in racing everyone would use it. It's about being the fastest and not about being close to a classic drive. Steering support, traction control, anti lock breaking even disk brakes... Nothing was there a century ago, but as long as it helps you driving faster everyone who makes a living off racing will take it gladly
But since we are talking about street legal sportscars I guess we all agree that RAS is a nice feature, but it's a sportscar without it nonetheless
But: if it were legal in racing everyone would use it. It's about being the fastest and not about being close to a classic drive. Steering support, traction control, anti lock breaking even disk brakes... Nothing was there a century ago, but as long as it helps you driving faster everyone who makes a living off racing will take it gladly
But since we are talking about street legal sportscars I guess we all agree that RAS is a nice feature, but it's a sportscar without it nonetheless
12-21-2019, 02:51 PM
#33
Burning Brakes
Since I didn't say a word about RAS in a race car I don't have to disagree.
But: if it were legal in racing everyone would use it. It's about being the fastest and not about being close to a classic drive. Steering support, traction control, anti lock breaking even disk brakes... Nothing was there a century ago, but as long as it helps you driving faster everyone who makes a living off racing will take it gladly
But since we are talking about street legal sportscars I guess we all agree that RAS is a nice feature, but it's a sportscar without it nonetheless
But: if it were legal in racing everyone would use it. It's about being the fastest and not about being close to a classic drive. Steering support, traction control, anti lock breaking even disk brakes... Nothing was there a century ago, but as long as it helps you driving faster everyone who makes a living off racing will take it gladly
But since we are talking about street legal sportscars I guess we all agree that RAS is a nice feature, but it's a sportscar without it nonetheless
Last edited by jkautz; 12-21-2019 at 03:13 PM.
12-21-2019, 02:53 PM
#34
Burning Brakes
12-21-2019, 04:35 PM
#35
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As said before: PDCC is not all about countering body roll. Its main purpose in the 911 is the variable roll torque distribution which allows for high speed and cornering stability as well as countering under and oversteer. In addition, keeping the body flat allows for a higher lateral acceleration since you drive on the default camber a little longer before moving into changes over kinematics.
There is a reason why every official laptime is driven in a car with sport chassis, PDCC and RAS.
To the topic at hand: RAS is a must. PDCC can be skipped. If you are looking for the last 10ths on the track and want the best ride with the sport chassis it's definitely a must have.
There is a reason why every official laptime is driven in a car with sport chassis, PDCC and RAS.
To the topic at hand: RAS is a must. PDCC can be skipped. If you are looking for the last 10ths on the track and want the best ride with the sport chassis it's definitely a must have.
The 991 GT3/RS cars do not come with PDCC as a standard feature, and it is not even a configurable option.
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12-21-2019, 04:42 PM
#36
No doubt about that. But we were talking about the Carrera. The GT is an inherently different car. The difference in aero alone is significant and together with the RAS as standard is giving the car more high speed and cornering stability by itself. In addition it's a niche car with a much more focused purpose and a stiff chassis in the beginning (compare spring and anti roll bar rates plus the upside down dampers up front).
Plus I doubt the hydraulic pump would fit in with the 4l engine.
Plus I doubt the hydraulic pump would fit in with the 4l engine.
12-21-2019, 04:43 PM
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12-21-2019, 04:45 PM
#38
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No doubt about that. But we were talking about the Carrera. The GT is an inherently different car. The difference in aero alone is significant and together with the RAS as standard is giving the car more high speed and cornering stability by itself. In addition it's a niche car with a much more focused purpose and a stiff chassis in the beginning (compare spring and anti roll bar rates plus the upside down dampers up front).
Plus I doubt the hydraulic pump would fit in with the 4l engine.
Plus I doubt the hydraulic pump would fit in with the 4l engine.
You should probably stop now, while you're still not totally too far behind.
12-21-2019, 04:53 PM
#39
If it wasn't overcompensating its weight, they wouldn't put it in the car for lap time purposes in the first place. But anyways... I'm not saying you have to spec it, all I'm saying is that is has been developed for a reason. I don't have to be religious about it, since I didn't spec it myself. Having driven both I can still say it's making quite a difference, but since I will rarely track the car (if at all) I skipped it. If you don't think you need it, you will probably not need it. Same with any other option. No need to get worked up about it
Last edited by Osv; 12-21-2019 at 05:14 PM.
12-22-2019, 01:44 PM
#40
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On the smaller older cars, with the shorter wheelbase the old school steering was perfect...with how big these new cars are, the RAS helps with the agility a TON, which at it's size is welcomed IMHO.
12-22-2019, 09:20 PM
#41
Pro
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Thanks for all the input. I did find the other similar thread.
it seems that it’s about 70/30 in favor of getting RAS.
I will find a way to price it into my build.
it seems that it’s about 70/30 in favor of getting RAS.
I will find a way to price it into my build.