992 GT3
12-16-2019, 11:43 AM
#2
Doubt it's the same weight as 991. If it is, the 992 Touring is the one to get for sure!
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12-16-2019, 12:33 PM
#5
Likely no escaping that 992 interior even in a GT3 -- hard plastics and touchscreens galore. Drove a 992 this weekend and can't stand it.
Also hard a hard time believing that the car will be "no bigger than before."
Also hard a hard time believing that the car will be "no bigger than before."
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12-16-2019, 01:16 PM
#6
Burning Brakes
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What didn't you like about it, other than the silly shifter. I've heard it has incredible performance, but sort of numb.
12-16-2019, 01:40 PM
#7
While the 992 is silky smooth and very fast, there's just nothing engaging about it. It drives more like my wife's BMW than my current Boxster S (with the x73 suspension). Characterless is probably the best way to describe it.
The new interior leaves me cold. It's "new" but distracting and just not driver oriented. From the increased width of the transmission tunnel, to the hard plastics everywhere (compared to soft in the 991), to the distracting nannies (wet mode alert!), the visual impact of the shelf cutting the dash and the fact that you need to constantly access the touchscreen, it all combined to just turn me off. Perfect example: removing the soft plastic cushioning surround from the transmission tunnel and turning it into hard plastic surround that digs into your leg in the curves -- just bad design for a driver's car and places looks/cost cutting over function. Also not digging the overall interior design with the shelf splitting the dash and the fussy/busy look it creates and the move away from analog dials. Bottom-line on the interior: classic driver-oriented cockpit that is no longer cutting edge but should age well (991) vs jazz hands in the 992.
Then we get to the rear -- what made me fall in love with the 991. The rear on the 992 just looks unfinished, bulbous, and cheap.
Anyway, interested in seeing what they do with the 992 GT3 but it won't be for me unless they significantly modify the interior (unlikely).
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12-16-2019, 02:12 PM
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12-16-2019, 02:24 PM
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Drove it back to back with a 991.2 GT3 this weekend, both PDK (I will be buying a manual). Obviously not a fair comparison, but that's what I'm cross shopping. This was the third time I've driven a 992, as I keep on trying to make myself like it (kids/wife pressuring me to get "the latest and greatest" with lots of screens). It is just not happening for me, at least in the non-GT3 form.
While the 992 is silky smooth and very fast, there's just nothing engaging about it. It drives more like my wife's BMW than my current Boxster S (with the x73 suspension). Characterless is probably the best way to describe it.
The new interior leaves me cold. It's "new" but distracting and just not driver oriented. From the increased width of the transmission tunnel, to the hard plastics everywhere (compared to soft in the 991), to the distracting nannies (wet mode alert!), the visual impact of the shelf cutting the dash and the fact that you need to constantly access the touchscreen, it all combined to just turn me off. Perfect example: removing the soft plastic cushioning surround from the transmission tunnel and turning it into hard plastic surround that digs into your leg in the curves -- just bad design for a driver's car and places looks/cost cutting over function. Also not digging the overall interior design with the shelf splitting the dash and the fussy/busy look it creates and the move away from analog dials. Bottom-line on the interior: classic driver-oriented cockpit that is no longer cutting edge but should age well (991) vs jazz hands in the 992.
Then we get to the rear -- what made me fall in love with the 991. The rear on the 992 just looks unfinished, bulbous, and cheap.
Anyway, interested in seeing what they do with the 992 GT3 but it won't be for me unless they significantly modify the interior (unlikely).
While the 992 is silky smooth and very fast, there's just nothing engaging about it. It drives more like my wife's BMW than my current Boxster S (with the x73 suspension). Characterless is probably the best way to describe it.
The new interior leaves me cold. It's "new" but distracting and just not driver oriented. From the increased width of the transmission tunnel, to the hard plastics everywhere (compared to soft in the 991), to the distracting nannies (wet mode alert!), the visual impact of the shelf cutting the dash and the fact that you need to constantly access the touchscreen, it all combined to just turn me off. Perfect example: removing the soft plastic cushioning surround from the transmission tunnel and turning it into hard plastic surround that digs into your leg in the curves -- just bad design for a driver's car and places looks/cost cutting over function. Also not digging the overall interior design with the shelf splitting the dash and the fussy/busy look it creates and the move away from analog dials. Bottom-line on the interior: classic driver-oriented cockpit that is no longer cutting edge but should age well (991) vs jazz hands in the 992.
Then we get to the rear -- what made me fall in love with the 991. The rear on the 992 just looks unfinished, bulbous, and cheap.
Anyway, interested in seeing what they do with the 992 GT3 but it won't be for me unless they significantly modify the interior (unlikely).
12-16-2019, 03:52 PM
#10
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Drove it back to back with a 991.2 GT3 this weekend, both PDK (I will be buying a manual). Obviously not a fair comparison, but that's what I'm cross shopping. This was the third time I've driven a 992, as I keep on trying to make myself like it (kids/wife pressuring me to get "the latest and greatest" with lots of screens). It is just not happening for me, at least in the non-GT3 form.
While the 992 is silky smooth and very fast, there's just nothing engaging about it. It drives more like my wife's BMW than my current Boxster S (with the x73 suspension). Characterless is probably the best way to describe it.
The new interior leaves me cold. It's "new" but distracting and just not driver oriented. From the increased width of the transmission tunnel, to the hard plastics everywhere (compared to soft in the 991), to the distracting nannies (wet mode alert!), the visual impact of the shelf cutting the dash and the fact that you need to constantly access the touchscreen, it all combined to just turn me off. Perfect example: removing the soft plastic cushioning surround from the transmission tunnel and turning it into hard plastic surround that digs into your leg in the curves -- just bad design for a driver's car and places looks/cost cutting over function. Also not digging the overall interior design with the shelf splitting the dash and the fussy/busy look it creates and the move away from analog dials. Bottom-line on the interior: classic driver-oriented cockpit that is no longer cutting edge but should age well (991) vs jazz hands in the 992.
Then we get to the rear -- what made me fall in love with the 991. The rear on the 992 just looks unfinished, bulbous, and cheap.
Anyway, interested in seeing what they do with the 992 GT3 but it won't be for me unless they significantly modify the interior (unlikely).
While the 992 is silky smooth and very fast, there's just nothing engaging about it. It drives more like my wife's BMW than my current Boxster S (with the x73 suspension). Characterless is probably the best way to describe it.
The new interior leaves me cold. It's "new" but distracting and just not driver oriented. From the increased width of the transmission tunnel, to the hard plastics everywhere (compared to soft in the 991), to the distracting nannies (wet mode alert!), the visual impact of the shelf cutting the dash and the fact that you need to constantly access the touchscreen, it all combined to just turn me off. Perfect example: removing the soft plastic cushioning surround from the transmission tunnel and turning it into hard plastic surround that digs into your leg in the curves -- just bad design for a driver's car and places looks/cost cutting over function. Also not digging the overall interior design with the shelf splitting the dash and the fussy/busy look it creates and the move away from analog dials. Bottom-line on the interior: classic driver-oriented cockpit that is no longer cutting edge but should age well (991) vs jazz hands in the 992.
Then we get to the rear -- what made me fall in love with the 991. The rear on the 992 just looks unfinished, bulbous, and cheap.
Anyway, interested in seeing what they do with the 992 GT3 but it won't be for me unless they significantly modify the interior (unlikely).
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12-16-2019, 04:00 PM
#11
https://www.************.com/content...e-engine-block
The TTS is already a more numb experience than any of the GT cars except when it comes to straight line speed. Which is awesome.
It sounds like the new one is going to be extremely "mod friendly" when it comes too larger turbos (the stock turbo's on the new 992 TTS are rumored to be larger than the outgoing 991.2 TTS units -- per this story) and the ability to boost without breaking. 700 HP stock is likely. That means another $5k-8k "investment" should yield 800 HP plus easily.
Also note that the 8 speed PDK will allow them to map some outrageous 0-30 / 0-60 gear ratios that should put this thing in the 2.3 - 2.4 seconds to 60 (rolling one foot) range in stock trim. Guys are already suggesting stock 1/4 mile times in the high 9's stock -- wowzer.
Should be fun.
12-16-2019, 04:39 PM
#12
It seems to me that more of the 992 "fun/action" is going to be in the new 992 TTS. Porsche going to iron cylinder lining is basically saying "watch my boost, hold this".
https://www.************.com/content...e-engine-block
The TTS is already a more numb experience than any of the GT cars except when it comes to straight line speed. Which is awesome.
It sounds like the new one is going to be extremely "mod friendly" when it comes too larger turbos (the stock turbo's on the new 992 TTS are rumored to be larger than the outgoing 991.2 TTS units -- per this story) and the ability to boost without breaking. 700 HP stock is likely. That means another $5k-8k "investment" should yield 800 HP plus easily.
Also note that the 8 speed PDK will allow them to map some outrageous 0-30 / 0-60 gear ratios that should put this thing in the 2.3 - 2.4 seconds to 60 (rolling one foot) range in stock trim. Guys are already suggesting stock 1/4 mile times in the high 9's stock -- wowzer.
Should be fun.
https://www.************.com/content...e-engine-block
The TTS is already a more numb experience than any of the GT cars except when it comes to straight line speed. Which is awesome.
It sounds like the new one is going to be extremely "mod friendly" when it comes too larger turbos (the stock turbo's on the new 992 TTS are rumored to be larger than the outgoing 991.2 TTS units -- per this story) and the ability to boost without breaking. 700 HP stock is likely. That means another $5k-8k "investment" should yield 800 HP plus easily.
Also note that the 8 speed PDK will allow them to map some outrageous 0-30 / 0-60 gear ratios that should put this thing in the 2.3 - 2.4 seconds to 60 (rolling one foot) range in stock trim. Guys are already suggesting stock 1/4 mile times in the high 9's stock -- wowzer.
Should be fun.
12-16-2019, 05:34 PM
#13
About 2 weeks back, I test drove a 992 Carrera S. PDK. Super boring. No soul, no fun. I mean a very capable car but it didnt raise the hair on my neck and it certainly wasn't worth 152k which is what the msrp on the car was. I don't know about you guys but the new norm with Porsche and their pricing is just mind boggling. 230k + for a Turbo S?? Why?? 150K for a Carrera? Im shocked they are actually selling these cars cause they are not enjoyable or fun to drive. The GT cars - different story.
12-17-2019, 12:36 AM
#15
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
About 2 weeks back, I test drove a 992 Carrera S. PDK. Super boring. No soul, no fun. I mean a very capable car but it didnt raise the hair on my neck and it certainly wasn't worth 152k which is what the msrp on the car was. I don't know about you guys but the new norm with Porsche and their pricing is just mind boggling. 230k + for a Turbo S?? Why?? 150K for a Carrera? Im shocked they are actually selling these cars cause they are not enjoyable or fun to drive. The GT cars - different story.
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