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Old 11-24-2019, 03:27 PM
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A little bit of Porsche futurism...
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What a fun read. Imagine a 911 simulator and being able to experience each version of the model—so cool!

The only thing I actually had a hard time believing was the $600k price tag for 996s (sorry, I just don’t love those and have a hard time seeing their values go up that much).
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Originally Posted by markchristenson
What a fun read. Imagine a 911 simulator and being able to experience each version of the model—so cool!

The only thing I actually had a hard time believing was the $600k price tag for 996s (sorry, I just don’t love those and have a hard time seeing their values go up that much).
With serious collectors taking interest, I wouldn’t bet against the 996. Values are already starting to climb. Once Singer, etc starts dressing them up proper, buckle up.



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Who is Alex Roy?
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Who is Alex Roy?
Cross country record holder and automotive personality at large. Definitely one of the more balanced, level-headed headed personalities in automotive media
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I had 2 996TT's that were awesome cars. Very strong reliable engines and very mod friendly. I can see why values are holding. They are great entries to the brand.
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The general rule of thumb is that most cars with a historically significant value, relative rarity and aged about 25+ years, tend to appreciate in value over time.

The 996 is nearing this mark, and I would assume they would start to appreciate, especially the even-rarer submodels like the TT, TTS, 40 Jahre and GT models.
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Originally Posted by Penn4S
I had 2 996TT's that were awesome cars. Very strong reliable engines and very mod friendly. I can see why values are holding. They are great entries to the brand.
I had 2 996tts and a 996tt cab. They were decent cars, because of the Mezgers and they pulled hard back in the day. I even had one up to 750 hp. I also had 1 NA 996 that I purchased for the wife. The NA car was a POS . . . no Mezger and not much else redeeming. They are not that attractive either and this is coming from someone who loved the 964s and saw their potential way before Singer or anyone else started opting for and hot rodding them because they were cheap, plentiful and considered the ugly duckling of 911s. I did several 964 builds 15 plus years ago and before that purchased 91 T and a 94 3.6 T new for daily drivers. I just sold my 2017 991.2 Turbo and replaced it with a 2012 GTS as my daily driver so I am cool with older cars, just not the 996.

For instance, 15 years ago I insanely put $35k+ into the engine, $10K + into the stereo and about $10k into the interior of this 964. I wouldn't put $5.00 into a NA 996.


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Originally Posted by Doug H
I had 2 996tts and a 996tt cab. They were decent cars, because of the Mezgers and they pulled hard back in the day. I even had one up to 750 hp. I also had 1 NA 996 that I purchased for the wife. The NA car was a POS . . . no Mezger and not much else redeeming. They are not that attractive either and this is coming from someone who loved the 964s and saw their potential way before Singer or anyone else started opting for and hot rodding them because they were cheap, plentiful and considered the ugly duckling of 911s.
I think I agree with you :-) I feel like the 996 was a transition car both in the engine/interior that lacked (to me—I know some people love them) in the overall looks department. Definitely a 911, but kind of lacking any interest (the NA cars at least). And those non-911 headlights. I felt like the 997 is what the 996 should have been as an evolution from the 993.

FWIW, I had a 964 and thought it was an ugly duckling, too, although you’re right—Singer has made them hot. And although I never Club raced I seem to recall that there was a class where the 964 was pretty competitive.

I think all Porsches will appreciate eventually, but I’d guess the normal, non-special edition/low production model 996s will appreciate at a slower pace than the 997.

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Originally Posted by MarineDrive
The general rule of thumb is that most cars with a historically significant value, relative rarity and aged about 25+ years, tend to appreciate in value over time.

The 996 is nearing this mark, and I would assume they would start to appreciate, especially the even-rarer submodels like the TT, TTS, 40 Jahre and GT models.
Except the 996 was hideously ugly inside & out and pretty much everyone I know hates them.
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Originally Posted by markchristenson
I think I agree with you :-) I feel like the 996 was a transition car both in the engine/interior that lacked (to me—I know some people love them) in the overall looks department. Definitely a 911, but kind of lacking any interest (the NA cars at least). And those non-911 headlights. I felt like the 997 is what the 996 should have been as an evolution from the 993.

FWIW, I had a 964 and thought it was an ugly duckling, too, although you’re right—Singer has made them hot. And although I never Club raced I seem to recall that there was a class where the 964 was pretty competitive.

I think all Porsches will appreciate eventually, but I’d guess the normal, non-special edition/low production model 996s will appreciate at a slower pace than the 997.
The best thing that is often overlooked about the 964 is that is essentially the last of the old school 911s in both looks and driving characteristics yet it was the first 911 that was easily driven as a daily driver. The clutch was no longer Mack truck or tractor like heavy, the steering at low speed was assisted and the AC actually worked. The 993 was basically a whole different car and lacked the old school charm that the 964 retained looks and drive manners.
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Originally Posted by AKSteve
Except the 996 was hideously ugly inside & out and pretty much everyone I know hates them.
Agree 100%.

Of all the 911s that anyone could ever own, the 996 is one of the worst. If I had to choose between a 996 and death, I'd choose death, and it wouldn't be a difficult decision
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C'mon man, no need to hold back, what's your real opinion? lol
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Interesting read, but I tend to thing there is trend towards e-vehicles that is a fad/trend that won't continue. Certainly hoping that ICEs will be available, even prevalent, long-term. The 911 that doesn't sound good ceases to be a 911 in terms of the emotional components... I know, evolution, and the 3.0 TT isn't what the NA was, but it's still good. 911E as the only 911 offering? Not going to happen.
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Originally Posted by carson2
Interesting read, but I tend to thing there is trend towards e-vehicles that is a fad/trend that won't continue. Certainly hoping that ICEs will be available, even prevalent, long-term. The 911 that doesn't sound good ceases to be a 911 in terms of the emotional components... I know, evolution, and the 3.0 TT isn't what the NA was, but it's still good. 911E as the only 911 offering? Not going to happen.
Totally agree re: sound. Would be curious to hear what Porsche are doing with the Taycan sound system. I have a hard time believing it would be a reasonable replacement, but I also think it is technologically possible.



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