992 Winter Wheels/Tires
06-22-2023, 11:10 AM
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Ok, first off, as noted, I drink the Michelin Kool-Aid But to be fair, that's based on their outstanding reviews.
Now from memory, the Continental's and Pirelli PZero winters were the OEM tire on the Porsche 992 Winter Sets back in 2021. I SEEM to remember reading "so so" reviews on the Continentals and therefore went out of my way to go Pirelli. Alas, the Pirelli are fine - but sucky in snow IMHO. So I was pretty disappointed. In theory, the Continentals would be just as bad if not worse.
BUT - you are dealing with occasional ICE - in that case, if the Continentals were a ton cheaper, I might go with them. Yet, I'm also one of those people who would say "You saved $400 on your tires and your car costs how much?"
And I'm not sure what your high temps are there. But if I lived in an area that went from 70 degrees down to 25 and back up, with occasional ice, I would be going with the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4. AMAZING tire - have on my X3 year round and I simply LOVE IT. It handles great in the dry, wet, and snow/ice.
And to confirm, you are looking for a used set of Porsche winter wheels and tires on Rennlist, right?
That's how you save big $.
PS Tirerack has good reviews too.
Now from memory, the Continental's and Pirelli PZero winters were the OEM tire on the Porsche 992 Winter Sets back in 2021. I SEEM to remember reading "so so" reviews on the Continentals and therefore went out of my way to go Pirelli. Alas, the Pirelli are fine - but sucky in snow IMHO. So I was pretty disappointed. In theory, the Continentals would be just as bad if not worse.
BUT - you are dealing with occasional ICE - in that case, if the Continentals were a ton cheaper, I might go with them. Yet, I'm also one of those people who would say "You saved $400 on your tires and your car costs how much?"
And I'm not sure what your high temps are there. But if I lived in an area that went from 70 degrees down to 25 and back up, with occasional ice, I would be going with the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4. AMAZING tire - have on my X3 year round and I simply LOVE IT. It handles great in the dry, wet, and snow/ice.
And to confirm, you are looking for a used set of Porsche winter wheels and tires on Rennlist, right?
That's how you save big $.PS Tirerack has good reviews too.
06-22-2023, 11:12 AM
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I'm telling ya...they are magical
https://alltyretests.com/michelin-pi...4-test-review/
https://tireer.com/michelin-pilot-sp...ason-4-review/
https://alltyretests.com/michelin-pi...4-test-review/
https://tireer.com/michelin-pilot-sp...ason-4-review/
06-22-2023, 11:16 AM
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While I used to subscribe to the "you must have summer and you must have winter tires", I'm no longer in that camp. I think that if you do have summer tires and live in an area with real winters, then yes, you need two sets. But for many people, they will be driving on the wrong set of tires at the wrong time in that case (hint, spring and fall) and here an all-season tire can often outdo a summer and/or winter depending on the day.
If NM goes 70-25-70 day after day, then I would argue that an all-season is better than any summer or winter tire - unless you have a pit crew to change them at will. The fact is, some all-season tires have come surprisingly far (hint my Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 tires which are FAR better than my OEM RFT in the summer and winter and I would put them up against the PZero Winters. Stunning tire.
If NM goes 70-25-70 day after day, then I would argue that an all-season is better than any summer or winter tire - unless you have a pit crew to change them at will. The fact is, some all-season tires have come surprisingly far (hint my Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 tires which are FAR better than my OEM RFT in the summer and winter and I would put them up against the PZero Winters. Stunning tire.
the problem is like today it was 63 F this morning it will get up to 97 F, you can go ahead and assume that every day of winter, fall, spring, and part of summer has a 30 degree range if not more happening every day
08-30-2023, 01:09 PM
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Has anyone run 235/35R20 and 295/30R21's on their 992?
I know 245/35R20 is the official winter size on the front tire (for 20 inch rims), however there are more Nokian options at the 235 width.
From my quick math, the size difference shouldn't be that major (and within range of the rear deviation) but I don't know if the car will throw a fit about a mismatched rotation rate.
I know 245/35R20 is the official winter size on the front tire (for 20 inch rims), however there are more Nokian options at the 235 width.
From my quick math, the size difference shouldn't be that major (and within range of the rear deviation) but I don't know if the car will throw a fit about a mismatched rotation rate.
08-30-2023, 01:58 PM
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Go with Nokian and if warranted get the studded optioin. Nothing else compares. I had Michelin and got rid of them. Nokian on all 3 cars: 992, Macan S and Treg
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08-30-2023, 02:02 PM
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Out of curiosity, do you have the Hakkapeliitta 10? I've been debating that and the R5. I'm up in Montana where our winters are quite "nordic" with a ton of ice and compacted snow vs. standing water.
08-30-2023, 02:03 PM
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can you do us a solid and provide a link to the Nokian, non-studded? i've looked and can't find them.
08-30-2023, 02:06 PM
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You'll have to search for "HAKKAPELIITTA R5 EV", they have them in the 235/35R20 and 295/30R21 sizes in stock on eBay and some direct to consumer tire distributors.
08-30-2023, 02:12 PM
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As a friendly reminder @siberian lives in Alaska where the Nokian is much better suited to his winter seasons. The Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 is however better suited to climates like Chicago. I think it is always important to note this.... The Michelin being a performance winter tire will be better in the dry and wet which is what we get MOST days during the Chicago winters. As yes, the Nokian is a great tire - especially for snow.
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08-30-2023, 02:56 PM
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As a friendly reminder @siberian lives in Alaska where the Nokian is much better suited to his winter seasons. The Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 is however better suited to climates like Chicago. I think it is always important to note this.... The Michelin being a performance winter tire will be better in the dry and wet which is what we get MOST days during the Chicago winters. As yes, the Nokian is a great tire - especially for snow.
I'm in Montana and our roads in the winter time are a mix of ice and compacted snow, with average temperatures below 15 F deg the majority of winter with occasional weeks of -20 F. It's really rare to have any slush or standing water in the winter time. I'll report back how the Hakkapeliitta's (R5 studless or 10 studs) do once I get them on the 992 T.
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08-30-2023, 03:20 PM
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I live in Chicagoland and have purchased a set of the Goodyear Ultragrips in the OEM sizes (245/35/20, 305/30/21) that I mounted on the OEM Turbo S wheels that came with the GTS. Will post a review once I have some experience with them in the cold this winter.
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08-30-2023, 03:43 PM
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Hakka 10 studded. I have the older models on the Touareg. If you look at winter road rallies in Europe, the go-to tires are Nokian. I've used them since the 70s when we lived in Switzerland in my 911. It's just recently that they made sizes available for the 992. An alternative are Blizzaks that are also standard fare up here for non performance cars.
Of course studded tires on dry pavement are not recommended.
For reference we are 65 degrees North
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Of course studded tires on dry pavement are not recommended.
For reference we are 65 degrees North
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08-30-2023, 06:19 PM
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I would opt for a non studded Nokian Hakka10 as driving studs over dry pavement repeatedly will just wear out the studs. Make sure you:
1) DO NOT fill with Nitrogen
2) Adjust your pressure to the temperature. Here is a good resource:
https://www.billanddot.com/tire-pres...temp-calc.html
siberian
1) DO NOT fill with Nitrogen
2) Adjust your pressure to the temperature. Here is a good resource:
https://www.billanddot.com/tire-pres...temp-calc.html
siberian
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