992 C4S vs C2S in Warm Climates
Three Wheelin'
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why not just get a GT3? Since you're looking for weight/performance over luxury? Go 100% or go home..
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Look, I’m sorry but you just don’t need AWD because of water. You just don’t. Millions of cars drive around countries all over the world every day where it rains, it pours, it literally buckets down. All throughout Asia, Europe, yes of course even in North America.
Snow and ice different story but even then a 2WD car in decent winter rubber is generally perfectly fine. Seriously, if you’re worried about traction when it rains be more worried about the other guy with his 10 year old Camry on 30,000 mile old rubber.
Snow and ice different story but even then a 2WD car in decent winter rubber is generally perfectly fine. Seriously, if you’re worried about traction when it rains be more worried about the other guy with his 10 year old Camry on 30,000 mile old rubber.
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Just wrong thinking... you don't start with a C2/S RWD and have a 'problem' with not enough traction (if anything purist type people will say the post ~997 gen 991s have too much traction to be 'fun'). It's not MORE traction the C4/S adds, but a different kind of traction. Better in ice/snow, worse in other conditions in terms of having a satisfying driving experience. And to the person who said a C4/S is better in rain due to less hydroplaning...that is delusional at best - only way to minimize hydroplane effects are reduced speed, better tread depth, and more all-season tread pattern (but that is a decrement to non-wet handling). Just relating back to the OP - 'which is best for warm climates' - its a no-brainer, get the C2/S.
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Just to level set here, we're talking a weight penalty of ~100lbs for AWD on a 911 that delivers improved traction performance in all conditions. RWS adds weight as well. Both add to the experience and elevate performance.
If you're obsessed about weight, the 911 is not the car for you. For example, the 14 way and 18 way adjustable seats add weight greater than the AWD and RWS combined. It doesn't stop there -- those full leather interiors are heavier than the plastic ones as well. Don't get me started on sunroofs. LOL
If you're obsessed about weight, the 911 is not the car for you. For example, the 14 way and 18 way adjustable seats add weight greater than the AWD and RWS combined. It doesn't stop there -- those full leather interiors are heavier than the plastic ones as well. Don't get me started on sunroofs. LOL
Personally I don't care about small differences in weight or track performance - I just want some fun. And having driven in blizzard conditions at -20F temps through Canada and the NE USA and through monsoons in Asia I think the correct tires and a modicum of sense matter a lot more than 2S vs 4S (until you get stuck
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I have a 4S in Atlanta because I'm done with wheel hop or slipping tires when trying to pull out into traffic. I live within the city limits so broken pavement, loose gravel and metal plates are the norm when trying to accelerate while turning onto a road. The worst is trying to hit a gap, the wheels don't catch perfectly and then the engine bogs for a second. Insert you favorite expletive as cars are bearing down on you. Don't care about track times, wet/cold performance, or car weight. I just want real world traction and AWD delivers that.
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I have a 4S in Atlanta because I'm done with wheel hop or slipping tires when trying to pull out into traffic. I live within the city limits so broken pavement, loose gravel and metal plates are the norm when trying to accelerate while turning onto a road. The worst is trying to hit a gap, the wheels don't catch perfectly and then the engine bogs for a second. Insert you favorite expletive as cars are bearing down on you. Don't care about track times, wet/cold performance, or car weight. I just want real world traction and AWD delivers that.
C2S owners: There are are many thousands of miles driven amongst you, and with those miles a wealth of anecdotal evidence concerning the C2S's ability to pull out into traffic amongst the dilapidated roadways of our urban centers, with all the uneven pavement, loose gravel and metal plating they can throw at you. Are you having any problems pulling out into traffic in your C2S? Are your tires slipping? Are your wheels hopping?
Truth be told, drivability in a large city with crappy roads is probably one of the most important things to me in my decision of which car to purchase. I live in a reasonably hilly city with roads in a near-constant state of disrepair. If you too live in such a place, and you have been able to get by ok in your C2S without fishtailing through your city's financial district like a bat out of hell, I'd love to hear about it.
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Digging this one up, as it's a comment I think about occasionally as I wring my hands over whether to pursue an C2S or a C4S allocation.
C2S owners: There are are many thousands of miles driven amongst you, and with those miles a wealth of anecdotal evidence concerning the C2S's ability to pull out into traffic amongst the dilapidated roadways of our urban centers, with all the uneven pavement, loose gravel and metal plating they can throw at you. Are you having any problems pulling out into traffic in your C2S? Are your tires slipping? Are your wheels hopping?
Truth be told, drivability in a large city with crappy roads is probably one of the most important things to me in my decision of which car to purchase. I live in a reasonably hilly city with roads in a near-constant state of disrepair. If you too live in such a place, and you have been able to get by ok in your C2S without fishtailing through your city's financial district like a bat out of hell, I'd love to hear about it.
C2S owners: There are are many thousands of miles driven amongst you, and with those miles a wealth of anecdotal evidence concerning the C2S's ability to pull out into traffic amongst the dilapidated roadways of our urban centers, with all the uneven pavement, loose gravel and metal plating they can throw at you. Are you having any problems pulling out into traffic in your C2S? Are your tires slipping? Are your wheels hopping?
Truth be told, drivability in a large city with crappy roads is probably one of the most important things to me in my decision of which car to purchase. I live in a reasonably hilly city with roads in a near-constant state of disrepair. If you too live in such a place, and you have been able to get by ok in your C2S without fishtailing through your city's financial district like a bat out of hell, I'd love to hear about it.
I have been pleased with everything about my C4S - but - If you watch the AWD console in the PCM, which I usually have it up. There has only been 1 time in my 6 months ownership that I have seen it actually not be rear wheel (meaning that any power shifted to the front wheels). That was during a huge rain storm, and there was deep water on the road.
Honestly if this wasn't my DD, I would go with the C2S. The C4S will give more security with winter tires in the snow, and that is why I bought it. For wet, with the new wet mode - that dampens the torque and revs (even with Manual Tranny that I have). It would be more than enough to handle wet, etc. Even snow with the correct tires.
My 991 GTS - I could get the tires to move out with ease, as well as did experience tire hop on occasion, but you can also avoid it if you choose. Even it was fine. (I did not DD it, nor try to drive it in the snow)
The Turbo and Turbo S - with that much HP and Torque, it is nice to have for that reason alone. Keep drivers from killing themselves :-) The C4S and CS are not overpowered, and very controllable with and without AWD.
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Digging this one up, as it's a comment I think about occasionally as I wring my hands over whether to pursue an C2S or a C4S allocation.
C2S owners: There are are many thousands of miles driven amongst you, and with those miles a wealth of anecdotal evidence concerning the C2S's ability to pull out into traffic amongst the dilapidated roadways of our urban centers, with all the uneven pavement, loose gravel and metal plating they can throw at you. Are you having any problems pulling out into traffic in your C2S? Are your tires slipping? Are your wheels hopping?
Truth be told, drivability in a large city with crappy roads is probably one of the most important things to me in my decision of which car to purchase. I live in a reasonably hilly city with roads in a near-constant state of disrepair. If you too live in such a place, and you have been able to get by ok in your C2S without fishtailing through your city's financial district like a bat out of hell, I'd love to hear about it.
C2S owners: There are are many thousands of miles driven amongst you, and with those miles a wealth of anecdotal evidence concerning the C2S's ability to pull out into traffic amongst the dilapidated roadways of our urban centers, with all the uneven pavement, loose gravel and metal plating they can throw at you. Are you having any problems pulling out into traffic in your C2S? Are your tires slipping? Are your wheels hopping?
Truth be told, drivability in a large city with crappy roads is probably one of the most important things to me in my decision of which car to purchase. I live in a reasonably hilly city with roads in a near-constant state of disrepair. If you too live in such a place, and you have been able to get by ok in your C2S without fishtailing through your city's financial district like a bat out of hell, I'd love to hear about it.