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Yes, he dislikes the tires and wants a R tire I guess - or a Michelin 4S perhaps?
Problem is - there are no R-tires for the rear axle of this car. No one makes a 305/30-21 R a 4s or not even the new Super Sport line-up from Goodyear has one - or in the plans....
So I looked at the set up of the GT3 RS for mine: 265/35-20 and 325/30-21... and faced another problem... I need new wheels.
The original wheels will not take a 265 and a 325 - they're too narrow - and all wheels that could have worked have a center bolt.
So I found some one that could make me a wheel... only to find out that since my car is a 4S the ECU will not settle for my rear wheels being so off in height so it will go ape**** after 20-30 meters.
The conclusion so far... we need to wait for some one to make a 305/30-21.
Then the last challenge - for now - shows up - no one has a 305/30-21 tire planed, yet.
Catch 22....
Unless I am missing something, I just checked Tire rack and Pirelli have the P Zero Nero GT and P Zero in 305/30ZR21
Unless I am missing something, I just checked Tire rack and Pirelli have the P Zero Nero GT and P Zero in 305/30ZR21
The first 992’s that came to the dealers had Pirelli. The dealers were instructed to slash them. I think it was because of high speed stability.
However, I thought we talked about something with more grip for the track a R compound, not just another tire for the car. Nothing wrong with the stock Assymetric 3.
While I prefer Michelins the last set of Goodyear tires I had on a sports car weren't horrible. I hope the problem was indeed the tires and not the car.
Interesting thread. FWIW I don’t think there’s much between a 991.2 with the kit and a 992C2S both with sports chassis. On the same tyres and spec on the same day I very much doubt that Porsche would have built a slower car....Also, Porsche have said they could have made the 992 quicker for track times but they would have traded some of the everyday usability, refinement. I quite like that one click from normal to Sport transforms the car as you come off an autobahn onto you favorite back road. The 992 feels quicker to me until you get past 200km/h when neither 991/2 with 450hp has that big push. Anyway. The GoodYears might not be the best track tyre but I have found them to be surprisingly good in the wet and fine as a road tyre. As more choices of tyre become available I guess we will find out the truth.
Well theres one version of the truth regarding Goodyears on track. As mentioned above, I can't believe that Porsche would build a faster car and put it on slower tires. Weird. Can you specify tires when ordering?
[QUOTE=groundhog;15878886]Ultimately, the marketing is put into perspective by facts.
Clearly there have have been improvements equally there have been compromises.
The real world result is a zero sum gain in terms of performance (in terms of like for like HP).
Thus a buying decision is based around subjective metrics like look, sound, colour and option choices.
Factor in price points - for example in my market the new S without most of the performance fruit costs more than my outgoing GTS with all of the performance fruit e.g. Doesn't stack up at least in my market.
Thus for a daily you may be better off with a base and for performance you might as well stretch to the 991.2 RS.
There is much I like about the 992 - for example when you sit in the actual car it's a very nice place to be - it has become a true GT car.
My gut feel is the base model will be the one to get for those that want a daily sports car.[/QUOT
LOL! And on Hockenheim GP the 992 was faster... blablabla...
Have you driven the 992 on a track yourself? No...? Thats what I thought...
Im sorry but the desperate measures from 991.2 GTS owners is getting ridiculous
I like zeperfs.com - good site for comparing various models- they have good data. I think when I compared these two cars- they were nearly identical but the 992 had an ever so slight edge in a couple areas.
I seriously don’t understand the fighting here. It does seem like an apples to apples comparison since the two cars have the same HP and a GTS is basically a more track specced S with a bit more HP.
Now of course the 992 GTS will have even more HP and will be faster than a 991.2 GTS. But it sounds like the 992 S may actually be slower than a 991.2 GTS. I agree a proper test should use same tires and same driver though. Also, naturally, 992 base v 991 base, 992 S v 991 S, etc. track times should all result in the 992 being faster (again the 992 has more HP). If not, Porsche would likely become unsuccessful. But we can certainly debate other characteristics of the car that aren’t as easily quantified and we SHOULD be able to do so in a fun, non demeaning way.
What I don’t understand is that there appear to be some 992 buyers that are too sensitive about any negative comments. Similarly, there are some 991 owners that are too aggressive in saying the 991 is clearly better for reasons that simply can’t be quantified and are, in fact, just opinions. (BTW, I don’t think Groundhog is one of them.) Those folks should realize at the end of the day IT’S JUST A CAR. It doesn’t define you or at least it shouldn’t. If it does, you have a pretty pathetic life. None of us are any better than the next person because we drive a 992 or a 991. Now someone might be for other reasons, but certainly not because they bought a car.
So let’s have healthy discussions and debates people, and leave the silliness aside.
Boy did you ever hit the nail on the head right here.
Exhaust sound is objective, while the 992 isn't quite as loud, it sounds better to my ears in terms of note, sound, 'beat' for lack of a better term. The crackles on overrun are just as good. They've done a good job or working around the particulate filter for sound delivery.
The Goodyears are street tyres and work well on the 4S in dry and wet conditions. This car is so fast you will run out of street before you run out of tyre. Track is no doubt a different proposition.
I had P1s on my 991.2 GTS and overall a good tyre, they had a relatively small optimal operating window, were often too cold on street, too slick/hot on track and pretty good in the wet.
The 992 4S is much less raw as the .2 GTS, no surprises there, but an improvement in almost every category.
Once again you are wrong - Hock GP was done with different drivers and the ring time with the 992 was slower with a Porsche works driver versus a good journalist in the 991 GTS.
Likewise with the same driver, slower by about a second in the Autobild test.
Why?
I have no dog in this fight and couldn't care one way or another as I know through experience that a car is only as fast as its driver.
The point being, which you don't seem to get at any level - is that despite all the Porsche BS the new 450HP car is slower than the old 450HP car round a track - perhaps only marginally slower but nonetheless still slower- why?
Get your facts right and understand the background and for the record - as someone that is actually involved in competitive motorsport I did not see or feel anything to get excited about after driving the 992 - it's a fine "GT" car but it is also further removed from a light weight sports car. That is very plain to see and feel. In fact for me, in terms of driving experience, it was emotionally indifferent.
Hence my commentary round the base car and RS.
Objectivity is a wonderful thing👌
From my perspective, commentaries like yours are exactly why I have very little to do with Porsche owners despite the fact I currently own two late model Porsche sports cars, own a 720S and am in the process of buying a new RS and will probably end up with 982 GT4 as well (by long term default).
06-05-2019, 08:04 AM
