Originally Posted by minthral

There are two types of owners:

1) Its a car
2) Its a toy

Seems like a reality disconnect between the two. Question is what do you REALLY want. Some people will day dream about cars like the 4C, but after actually sitting inside and driving it for any significant duration, reality sets in.

Getting in is a chore, mainly because you're afraid of scratching the huge threshold. Once you get going, lots of unpleasant road noise and a migraine inducing exhaust drone fills the cabin. The seats are uncomfortable, unsupportive, and have almost no adjustment, so you can't see the speedometer because the top of the steering wheel is in the way. When you adjust your head and eyes on the instrument cluster, its confusing. You hit a pothole and the the suspension crashes, jolting your back and the steering wheel tries to rip your hand off as you make mental note to keep a grip with both (not checking cellphone). As you try pass traffic, turbo lag is noticeable and power delivery is crude/boosty. The dry dual clutch transmission jerks around as if its going to fall out in at the stoplight and makes you wonder about overheating reports on forums. After you get the road to yourself, boredom sets in and you turn on the single din aftermarket unit which sounds like crap. As you speed through a curve, the car feels all over the place and going 100 MPH, but looking down its only 65. Not impressed and make a mental note that the miata has more body roll, but its actually lighter than a 4C...and that you remember taking a camry through the turn faster and easier. A stop at a store has creepy people eyeing you as you have a second go to get into the truck using the manual release (darn lever doesn't always work)..the extra groceries that don't fit go in passenger's seat. There's a sudden rainstorm on the way home and the car is skidding all over the road... slow white knuckle drive home - wouldn't want to damage the un-repairable carbon tub, assuming the lack of safety tech wont kill you so it matter.

Its not a car... its a toy. As much as people claim they want cars like 4C, no one buys them for good reason. People who buy a car like this treat it as 'an experience' and many will trade it in after 1-2 years when they get bored and want a 'new experience.'

For me, the 4C is just plain bad. It doesn't handle well despite the low weight and manual steering. Its not comfortable. It doesn't sound good or even all that fun. Questionable build quality, materials, and reliability. Sure is pretty and a nice design piece that many might lust over...too bad reality exists.

Of course people have different preferences... I'm in the 'its a car' group. For me its the whole experience and not just 'let me go have a fun drive.' I went through that phase and its out of my system...I'd get a cheap disposable track only car if I wanted that (rip interior out, install cage etc etc). Street cars are street cars and excessive scarifies for lower weight is stupid...best to add more power than throw the radio out.

The 991.2 (and 992) is heavier, but I'm confident they feel lighter than 991.1 or any previous gen due to so much more power and things like AWD, rear steering, dynamic chassis components. They're just better cars, but maybe what people really want is a slow sloppier raw toy with character...not me.