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Old 02-13-2019, 08:53 PM
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The fact you’re asking suggests to me you should wait.
Old 02-13-2019, 10:00 PM
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It might be wishful thinking on my part, but it seems to me that Porsche needs to sell 992s, and there are a decent amount of manual buyers out there (I being one of them). Therefore, it would make sense for them to introduce the manual cars as early as possible to get them into the buyers' hands. Two years seems like an awfully long time to ignore this customer base. I can't imagine that the technology isn't ready yet. They have the car, the engine and the gearbox. They just have to put them together. Right?
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Originally Posted by crashedsnow
Hi folks.. I need some sage advice.

About October last year, I decided to pull the trigger on ordering a new 991.2 GTS, when I heard that the 992 would be announced at the LA auto show. My local dealer assured me that although it was supposed to be announced then, it actually wouldn't be and it was delayed until March 2019, at which point we could expect deliveries in the later part of 2019 or maybe even 2020. I decided to order the 991.2.. then of course Porsche DID announce the 992. The problem is, I want MT and the 992 will only (initially) come in PDK. OK, so I assumed that MT would be a fast follow, so I told my dealer that I preferred to wait for the 992 (they were fine with it btw).

Now I hear that MT may not come in the 992 (S) for a couple of years. Years! My dealer said they'd let me know when the 991.2 arrives (probably next month) "just in case" I decided I wanted it. So now I have a dilemma. Do I take delivery of the 991.2 GTS (MT obviously) "now", or hold strong for the 992 MT without knowing when exactly it will be announced. I definitely don't want to way "years".

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Of your two options, I would choose the 991 GTS in a heartbeat. With that said, your dealer has been snowing you, big time.
Old 02-14-2019, 03:00 PM
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We have a 2018 Macan GTS, which is fine (the 911 would be a second car).. but I've reached the point where I can (finally) afford a 911 so my impatience is based on decades of 911 starvation more than any specific need per se. I can wait, I just don't want to wait.
Old 02-14-2019, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by crashedsnow
We have a 2018 Macan GTS, which is fine (the 911 would be a second car).. but I've reached the point where I can (finally) afford a 911 so my impatience is based on decades of 911 starvation more than any specific need per se. I can wait, I just don't want to wait.
Sorry.. I obviously don't know how to use a basic forum. This was meant as a reply to an earlier question but I didn't RTFM on how to "quote"
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According to Nick Murray, you shouldn't buy 1st year cars.
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Originally Posted by tgcrun
It might be wishful thinking on my part, but it seems to me that Porsche needs to sell 992s, and there are a decent amount of manual buyers out there (I being one of them). Therefore, it would make sense for them to introduce the manual cars as early as possible to get them into the buyers' hands. Two years seems like an awfully long time to ignore this customer base. I can't imagine that the technology isn't ready yet. They have the car, the engine and the gearbox. They just have to put them together. Right?
I'm curious why you say that? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but genuinely curious.

Amongst the Porsche line, aside from the Macan and Cayenne (maybe), the 911 model range is probably the next best seller and there's no indication that the 992 will change that dynamic.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
I'm curious why you say that? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but genuinely curious.

Amongst the Porsche line, aside from the Macan and Cayenne (maybe), the 911 model range is probably the next best seller and there's no indication that the 992 will change that dynamic.
Porsche wouldnt have survived without Macan and Cayenne.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
I'm curious why you say that? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but genuinely curious.

Amongst the Porsche line, aside from the Macan and Cayenne (maybe), the 911 model range is probably the next best seller and there's no indication that the 992 will change that dynamic.
Thanks for the question. I either wasn't clear or you misunderstood me. I didn't mean that Porsche would have trouble selling 992s. I love the new car and have deposits on both a manual Targa and a manual coupe. I was merely making a point that Porsche is in the business of producing and selling cars, whether they're 991s, 992s, Macans, or any other model. Since there's a decent demand for manual transmission 911s, it seems to make sense that they would roll them out sooner rather than later to satisfy that demand.
Old 02-14-2019, 10:17 PM
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I have a 991.2 GTS Coupe with MT. You won't be disappointed. I don't get the "out of date" posts, they are all great cars. You can always trade it in for a 991.2 GTS MT in a couple of years and tweak your options for the next build.
Old 02-15-2019, 02:39 AM
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OK.. thanks again all for the thoughts. I think I've decide to go buy a second hand 991 (e.g. 2017). You can get an S of this vintage for around USD 100K, which is ~40K less than the 991.2 GTS (as specified). I stay on the wait-list for the 992, don't take as much of a depreciation hit and get some enjoyment over the next 1-2 years while also maintaining some anticipation for the 992. There's still a pang of regret because I really, really wanted that sweet GTS, but on balance I think it's the right move for me.
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Originally Posted by gary.lee
According to Nick Murray, you shouldn't buy 1st year cars.
Based on his current woes, I don't think he would recommend 3rd year cars either.
Old 02-15-2019, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MacAna
Based on his current woes, I don't think he would recommend 3rd year cars either.
lol.. indeed
Old 02-15-2019, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gary.lee
Porsche wouldnt have survived without Macan and Cayenne.
There's some truth to this currently, but it's really the 1996 Boxster 986 that saved Porsche 23 years ago.
Old 02-15-2019, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by crashedsnow
OK.. thanks again all for the thoughts. I think I've decide to go buy a second hand 991 (e.g. 2017). You can get an S of this vintage for around USD 100K, which is ~40K less than the 991.2 GTS (as specified). I stay on the wait-list for the 992, don't take as much of a depreciation hit and get some enjoyment over the next 1-2 years while also maintaining some anticipation for the 992. There's still a pang of regret because I really, really wanted that sweet GTS, but on balance I think it's the right move for me.
This is exactly what I was going to suggest. Unless money is not a concern, I would not buy a new 991 Carrera at this point. But I also think 6-12 months of no 911 in the garage is insanity

A second hand 991 will hold you over nicely and you will lose very little when you go to purchase the 992 and you will get months of enjoyment out of it. I also really liked having a used Carrera for my first 911 because it gave me a lot of insight into what options I would actually want vs didn’t need. I honestly would have not picked certain options that I now consider must haves and ended up not liking other options that I thought I would. It was nice to learn all of this on someone else’s dime


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