Porsche Reveals Details of 911 Hybrid
12-24-2018, 09:59 AM
#16
I was thinking that actually.
Solid GT line they'll have. GT3 for the purist N/A experience. GT3 RS for the innovative "raw N/A + electric boost" experience, then the GT2 with who knows what. Likely a combo of all. The only thing that keeps me thinking that might not be feasible is that the hybrid tech (especially if matched with ICE power adders) will undoubtedly "un GT" the GT weight (or lack thereof) benefits.
Solid GT line they'll have. GT3 for the purist N/A experience. GT3 RS for the innovative "raw N/A + electric boost" experience, then the GT2 with who knows what. Likely a combo of all. The only thing that keeps me thinking that might not be feasible is that the hybrid tech (especially if matched with ICE power adders) will undoubtedly "un GT" the GT weight (or lack thereof) benefits.
12-24-2018, 01:16 PM
#17
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I dont think hybrid will add 700 lb otherwise we wouldve seen a 992.1 hybrid. They are waiting for a reason and actually cited weight as that reason. Im sure they will be able to shave 2-300 lb off this estimate which would put it somewhere close to a 992 turbo. Just my prediction albeit pure unbridled speculation.
12-24-2018, 07:53 PM
#18
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Not sure where I read it- or if it is true- but during the 70s gas shortage crisis, Dr Porsche was reputed to say that when the last cars are built they will be Porsches.
His analogy was buggy whips. The market for buggy whips is a tiny group of very wealthy carriage enthusiasts. Maybe he knew from experience.
His analogy was buggy whips. The market for buggy whips is a tiny group of very wealthy carriage enthusiasts. Maybe he knew from experience.
IIRC, Porsche's quote was, "The last car on Earth will be a sports car." He didn't say it would necessarily be a Porsche...
12-24-2018, 10:42 PM
#19
Sure, it'll be heavier. But no doubt faster, with better handling because of the better weight distro.
It's not going to be a Panamera with a 911 badge. The 918 pretty much kicks everything else's *** out there. They'll use that experience to keep the 911 a 911, but better than the previous 911... as each new version seems to be.
Or were you just getting a jump on the wailing and gnashing of teeth that seems to happen with every single change to the 911?
It's not going to be a Panamera with a 911 badge. The 918 pretty much kicks everything else's *** out there. They'll use that experience to keep the 911 a 911, but better than the previous 911... as each new version seems to be.
Or were you just getting a jump on the wailing and gnashing of teeth that seems to happen with every single change to the 911?
12-25-2018, 04:13 PM
#20
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They will have to reinforce or strengthen the chassis for such an increase in power and especially that monster torque rating......My very heavy SL65 AMG with an unbelievable 738 pound feet of torque had so much more reinforcement in the chassis and i.e motor mounts and transmission mounts.......lots of extra chassis weight to handle the power., that car was a 200 mph car with no limiter which was 186mph.......
They could go carbon fiber everywhere like the 918 to save weight, but the cost to buy the car will be near 200K........interesting news........
They could go carbon fiber everywhere like the 918 to save weight, but the cost to buy the car will be near 200K........interesting news........
12-27-2018, 07:49 PM
#21
Drifting
Not really. The GT2RS has a better lap time on the Nurburgring than the 918 by 10 secs (which is huge). It did it without the the large HP advantage, motor torque and Mid-engine layout that the 918 offers. Oh....and for a much cheaper price.
Agree to some extent. I was driven around Porsche's Leipzig track by a pro driver in a Panamera Turbo Hybrid. I'm not sure what I was more impressed with.....the driver or the car. But make no mistake about it....the car was not a sports car.
But make no mistake about it......That is where the 911 is headed. Hybrid, Full electric, then no ICE.
This is exactly the point. Porsche isn't making Turbos, lower displacement ICE engines, hybrids or electric cars because people want them. They are building these cars to comply with the regulatory environment. I'm not saying there is not demand for these types of cars, but the developmental direction is not being controlled by the people who buy the car but by the people who regulate the cars.
Agree to some extent. I was driven around Porsche's Leipzig track by a pro driver in a Panamera Turbo Hybrid. I'm not sure what I was more impressed with.....the driver or the car. But make no mistake about it....the car was not a sports car.
But make no mistake about it......That is where the 911 is headed. Hybrid, Full electric, then no ICE.
This is exactly the point. Porsche isn't making Turbos, lower displacement ICE engines, hybrids or electric cars because people want them. They are building these cars to comply with the regulatory environment. I'm not saying there is not demand for these types of cars, but the developmental direction is not being controlled by the people who buy the car but by the people who regulate the cars.
Furthermore, Achleitner is retiring and Walliser - the 918 chief - is in charge of 911 and 718 as of January 1.
The hybrid 911 will be well received, will serve as a halo car for the entire 911 range, and Porsche will sell all of them they make, regardless of whether some whiners on Rennlist boycott. #NotMyPorsche
12-27-2018, 09:05 PM
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12-28-2018, 04:06 AM
#23
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The wailing has little to do with the spec sheet. The complaints come from the design and with respect to a hybrid, the added weight. Better weight distribution will not make up for the 700lb increase in weight. And part of what makes a 911 - a 911.... is the rear weight bias.
A car that has changed - for the better, generally - with each iteration.
I doubt the hybrid 911 will be 700# heavier than the current model.
12-28-2018, 11:44 PM
#25
Is there a petition anywhere that we could sign in order to alert Porsche before they get too far ahead of themselves that almost no one will buy this thing? I'd hate to see them spend all this time and money developing a car that is so anti 911 philosophy I'm left wondering why they are bothering at all.
Also, when are these 918 "get with the future" band wagon riders going to realize that car is not a top performer because of it's hybrid power train? In fact, if all that over-complicated heavy nonsense was removed from the car just try and imagine how much better it would have been.
A hybrid 918 or 911 or any sports car for that matter achieves absolutely nothing other than serving as some type of chest beating exercise for the engineers and as a moral high ground for those who think that buying an expensive luxury item car for pleasure purposes isn't somehow an extreme waste of resources already.
Also, when are these 918 "get with the future" band wagon riders going to realize that car is not a top performer because of it's hybrid power train? In fact, if all that over-complicated heavy nonsense was removed from the car just try and imagine how much better it would have been.
A hybrid 918 or 911 or any sports car for that matter achieves absolutely nothing other than serving as some type of chest beating exercise for the engineers and as a moral high ground for those who think that buying an expensive luxury item car for pleasure purposes isn't somehow an extreme waste of resources already.
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12-29-2018, 07:53 AM
#26
All cars will be electrified in 10 years. ICE cars will not be manufactured in 20 yrs. You wont see a single gas station in 30 years. They will all be converted to charging station.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
991 will be the last 100% ice 911.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
991 will be the last 100% ice 911.
12-29-2018, 10:03 AM
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Edit: I just realized that your last sentence is entirely false too. The 992's engine is "100% ICE".
How is YOUR bubble doing? LMAO.
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12-29-2018, 10:06 AM
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I dont think hybrid will add 700 lb otherwise we wouldve seen a 992.1 hybrid. They are waiting for a reason and actually cited weight as that reason. Im sure they will be able to shave 2-300 lb off this estimate which would put it somewhere close to a 992 turbo. Just my prediction albeit pure unbridled speculation.
12-29-2018, 11:28 AM
#29
Is there a petition anywhere that we could sign in order to alert Porsche before they get too far ahead of themselves that almost no one will buy this thing? I'd hate to see them spend all this time and money developing a car that is so anti 911 philosophy I'm left wondering why they are bothering at all
12-29-2018, 11:38 AM
#30
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I’m down for electric. Especially if they can manage the fatness. In fact. Electric is more interesting to me than anything new Porsche is making the last 8 years which feel more and more like appliances. Just make the jump and be like a blender. Electric.
i have 4 others that stink and burn lots of oil to keep the eco terrorists happy.
i have 4 others that stink and burn lots of oil to keep the eco terrorists happy.