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Old 12-18-2018, 03:45 PM
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Old 12-18-2018, 04:43 PM
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That junk about controlling your behavior in "town centers" has pretty much killed my interest in this 911.
I mean, for God's sake, how far will these nanny Europeans (bowing down to Dictatorships like China) go in controlling everyone else's life?
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Old 12-18-2018, 05:41 PM
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An important quote from the article about the turbos to provide context...

"The only down side is the new turbos are a bit bigger. We’re talking in millimetres only, but Porsche admits that maximum torque is now developed at 2,250rpm, not 1,750rpm as before. The engines are more powerful overall though, so you shouldn’t notice too much."
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Old 12-18-2018, 06:18 PM
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Dude.. The gauge cluster on the 992 is horrid. The font.. The colors. Very Infiniti-esq with that blue. The rings are bad too. Only thing nicer on the 992 is the giant screen.

Go to page 7 of that article.. All the 991 pieces look so much Porsche and much more serious.. The 991 gauges remain legendary. 5 big fat round dials with the tach almost on a pedestal.

I'm definitely not one of the 992 haters. I really like it but it makes me appreciate the 991 more than ever.
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Thanks for sharing. As usual, Porsche tech impresses.
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Can someone explain on this GPS thing that 992 does with the car. It doesn't let me do things freely....WTF is Top Gear talking about. If the car is neutering my drive - this is 100% unacceptable? can someone with full info chime in. This is very concerning
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It doesn't let me do things freely....the car is neutering my drive - this is 100% unacceptable? can someone with full info chime in. This is very concerning
Isn’t a PDK owner already there?
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Can someone explain on this GPS thing that 992 does with the car. It doesn't let me do things freely....WTF is Top Gear talking about. If the car is neutering my drive - this is 100% unacceptable? can someone with full info chime in. This is very concerning
All it does is alter the shift points in areas where there would be congestion, and the article states you can defeat it with the paddles.
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Old 12-18-2018, 07:49 PM
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You have to be 100% conformist to think this sort of technology is OK or even suitable for a sports car.

The 992 lovers will chime in any second now with " this technology is so amazing and so advanced and is simply there to assist you when in areas that you shouldn't be speeding in anyways and want the car to simply "relax" in ".

That comment will also bring about the next generation of conformity which will be when this so called amazing tech limits your speed to whatever the posted speed limits are. That will be next big thing and one step closer to the self driving car....


Using GPS to help the PDK predict shift points better? Give me break, is that really impressive to some? It's literally one more aspect of DRIVING A SPORTS CAR that just got taken away under the guise of "advanced technology".
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You have to be 100% conformist to think this sort of technology is OK or even suitable for a sports car.

The 992 lovers will chime in any second now with " this technology is so amazing and so advanced and is simply there to assist you when in areas that you shouldn't be speeding in anyways and want the car to simply "relax" in ".

That comment will also bring about the next generation of conformity which will be when this so called amazing tech limits your speed to whatever the posted speed limits are. That will be next big thing and one step closer to the self driving car....


Using GPS to help the PDK predict shift points better? Give me break, is that really impressive to some? It's literally one more aspect of DRIVING A SPORTS CAR that just got taken away under the guise of advanced technology.
Exactly!
Slippery slope that lulls the sheeple into complacency, with ever increasing encroachment on personal freedom all in the name of some ethereal “greater good.”
If people had ***** they would refuse to buy ever single solitary example of this and shove capitalistic power down their disgusting socialist throats.
If this is indeed true, well then Porsche...you’ll never ever get another dime from me.
Period.
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Originally Posted by captainkirk View Post
Can someone explain on this GPS thing that 992 does with the car. It doesn't let me do things freely....WTF is Top Gear talking about. If the car is neutering my drive - this is 100% unacceptable? can someone with full info chime in. This is very concerning
I’m fairly certain they’re talking about Adaptive Cruise Control with InnoDrive which is now available on the 992. They even use the same graphic on the InnoDrive web page as they do in the Technology Workshop slide deck. It means that if you have adaptive cruise control turned on that the transmission will adapt based on GPS and route data. But from my understanding it shouldn’t affect driving when you’re not on ACC. The Technology Workshop slide I’m including below is extremely vague and doesn’t really call out AAC which is why I think there’s confusion but if you read it it’s practically the same as what’s described on the InnoDrive web page.

https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/p...che-innodrive/


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Originally Posted by atombomb33 View Post
An important quote from the article about the turbos to provide context...

"The only down side is the new turbos are a bit bigger. We’re talking in millimetres only, but Porsche admits that maximum torque is now developed at 2,250rpm, not 1,750rpm as before. The engines are more powerful overall though, so you shouldn’t notice too much."
Read the article - More lag by the design. Also, power a little later. This later tq is not necessarily a bad thing.
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All it does is alter the shift points in areas where there would be congestion, and the article states you can defeat it with the paddles.
And rev limiting.... will affect manuals also.
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Originally Posted by limegreen View Post
You have to be 100% conformist to think this sort of technology is OK or even suitable for a sports car.

The 992 lovers will chime in any second now with " this technology is so amazing and so advanced and is simply there to assist you when in areas that you shouldn't be speeding in anyways and want the car to simply "relax" in ".

That comment will also bring about the next generation of conformity which will be when this so called amazing tech limits your speed to whatever the posted speed limits are. That will be next big thing and one step closer to the self driving car....


Using GPS to help the PDK predict shift points better? Give me break, is that really impressive to some? It's literally one more aspect of DRIVING A SPORTS CAR that just got taken away under the guise of "advanced technology".
This is why we don't normalize government surveillance with elf on the shelf.
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Originally Posted by limegreen View Post
Using GPS to help the PDK predict shift points better? Give me break, is that really impressive to some? It's literally one more aspect of DRIVING A SPORTS CAR that just got taken away under the guise of "advanced technology".
Honestly, it would be both impressive and useful. It's stupid that the car has to downshift in the middle of a steep hill in the same location every single day, when the car knows perfectly well where it is, where it's going, and what it did the last 10 times it was here.

I've read that GPS-based shifting was patented by someone else, though, so the feature may not have been available to Porsche under reasonable terms. Sounds like they either licensed the patent or found a workaround. Wish I could remember who did this -- it seems like it was Rolls-Royce or Aston Martin or a similar company.

Any notion of limiting performance in certain areas is, of course, completely unacceptable. By all means, they should tie the GPS receiver to the PDK controller, but not to the paddles or the throttle.
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