Hate the 992??! OFFICIAL VENTING THREAD # Ultimate bashing allowed. Step in the ring.
12-21-2018, 01:03 PM
#721
Race Director
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by limegreen
As for the GT cars, while they are certainly more enthusiast minded they are virtually unobtainable and out of reach financially for most.
Plus the dealer games with the GT cars are a joke. Porsche playing allocation and scarcity games with these so dealers can charge $20K-$100K++ over MSRP isn't looking out for the enthusiasts.
Does one need to spend almost $200K for a GT3 to get a "real" sports car?? Even then, it's overpriced for what it is. Should be a $150K car.
You've got $150K+ 992 Carrera S builds floating around here. That's nuts.
12-21-2018, 01:43 PM
#723
Pro
Plus the dealer games with the GT cars are a joke. Porsche playing allocation and scarcity games with these so dealers can charge $20K-$100K++ over MSRP isn't looking out for the enthusiasts.
Does one need to spend almost $200K for a GT3 to get a "real" sports car?? Even then, it's overpriced for what it is. Should be a $150K car.
You've got $150K+ 992 Carrera S builds floating around here. That's nuts.
Does one need to spend almost $200K for a GT3 to get a "real" sports car?? Even then, it's overpriced for what it is. Should be a $150K car.
You've got $150K+ 992 Carrera S builds floating around here. That's nuts.
But how many of us actually have the skills to handle such a car - I surely don't. Even the Fiata keeps me plenty on my toes...
12-21-2018, 01:44 PM
#724
Pro
And Asterix and Tin Tin!
12-21-2018, 01:46 PM
#725
Was talking to a guy with a 997 Turbo yesterday who has over 50 days at the track. He said good drivers in Miatas still kicked his *** because they are faster in the corners. So you can get a real "sports" car for about $30K (disclaimer - I have a Fiata Abarth and love it). I have a well optioned $115K 991.2 C2 on a ship right now and I don't think I will ever be good enough driver to need more power or better handling. Not that I'd turn down a GT3 But how many of us actually have the skills to handle such a car - I surely don't. Even the Fiata keeps me plenty on my toes...
But how many of us actually have the skills to handle such a car - I surely don't. Even the Fiata keeps me plenty on my toes...
12-21-2018, 01:54 PM
#726
It's raining in NorCal today, however did I possibly make it to work alive without wet mode???
Oh right by just not hamming the throttle like a moron when it's wet out. I think wet mode will cause more crashes when people think they can just do what they do in the dry and then go around a corner too fast and no wet mode on earth can save them.
Oh right by just not hamming the throttle like a moron when it's wet out. I think wet mode will cause more crashes when people think they can just do what they do in the dry and then go around a corner too fast and no wet mode on earth can save them.
12-21-2018, 02:11 PM
#727
Pro
YEs, you are probably right - I hadn't considered that. My Abarth Fiat isn't stock either.
12-21-2018, 02:39 PM
#728
I don't agree and being part of that niche segment myself, I can say that I don't believe they are catering to our group properly because Porsche currently does not make a single new vehicle I'm interested in ( or able to ) purchase. Not being susceptible to marketing and valuing these cars purely on content is where they are falling very short in my opinion.
The 991.2 "T" was a sad half a$$ed attempt at a "purist" car because they made NO significant changes over the base car. It was the same muffled, over complicated government mandated engine. The suspension and chassis was also virtually identical. They also pretended to cater to the manual trans crowd but botched that as well by keeping the clumsy 7 speed manual with the economy minded tall gearing not offering an option to completely defeat the auto rev matching feature.
Porsche needs to learn that true enthusiasts aren't sold with fancy naming schemes, a few options and of course marketing and decals proclaiming the car is something that it isn't....
As for the GT cars, while they are certainly more enthusiast minded they are virtually unobtainable and out of reach financially for most.
The 991.2 "T" was a sad half a$$ed attempt at a "purist" car because they made NO significant changes over the base car. It was the same muffled, over complicated government mandated engine. The suspension and chassis was also virtually identical. They also pretended to cater to the manual trans crowd but botched that as well by keeping the clumsy 7 speed manual with the economy minded tall gearing not offering an option to completely defeat the auto rev matching feature.
Porsche needs to learn that true enthusiasts aren't sold with fancy naming schemes, a few options and of course marketing and decals proclaiming the car is something that it isn't....
As for the GT cars, while they are certainly more enthusiast minded they are virtually unobtainable and out of reach financially for most.
12-21-2018, 03:44 PM
#729
Racer
It's raining in NorCal today, however did I possibly make it to work alive without wet mode???
Oh right by just not hamming the throttle like a moron when it's wet out. I think wet mode will cause more crashes when people think they can just do what they do in the dry and then go around a corner too fast and no wet mode on earth can save them.
Oh right by just not hamming the throttle like a moron when it's wet out. I think wet mode will cause more crashes when people think they can just do what they do in the dry and then go around a corner too fast and no wet mode on earth can save them.
The problem I usually have in the rain is other drivers, not my car.
12-21-2018, 03:46 PM
#730
Burning Brakes
12-21-2018, 03:52 PM
#731
Burning Brakes
12-21-2018, 04:08 PM
#732
Amen. I get that we need stability/traction control, but why is Porsche trying to sell us Wet Mode so much? So the car retards the throttle and raises computer control thresholds, but really do we need the deployed spoiler?
The problem I usually have in the rain is other drivers, not my car.
The problem I usually have in the rain is other drivers, not my car.
"CHING CHANG CHONG, *floors it in in the rain". AHHHHHHHH *crash*"
Sounds about right.
12-21-2018, 04:16 PM
#733
Pro
12-21-2018, 04:17 PM
#734
Burning Brakes
12-21-2018, 04:19 PM
#735
Racer