992 GT3 Speculation
10-17-2018, 01:39 PM
#106
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Get on the list at your dealer as the craziness will begin soon on the 2020 or 21 with brokers, ADM and "this is the last NA" value speculation hysteria ....
Porsche Marketing again for the win at around $200k each....and dealer's will like the CPO 2018 sales....
Great business model.....Porsche is smart turning it up a notch to score big again on a good thing they have going with GT cars ....great marketing beyond product development - value retention pricing illusion, supply and demand manipulation, stirring the emotional connection to the brand, up-selling to the RS or new models, PR teasing, PTS profits, etc....
Comprehensive marketing model for classroom stuff...kudos to Porsche...they got us involved
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Porsche Marketing again for the win at around $200k each....and dealer's will like the CPO 2018 sales....
Great business model.....Porsche is smart turning it up a notch to score big again on a good thing they have going with GT cars ....great marketing beyond product development - value retention pricing illusion, supply and demand manipulation, stirring the emotional connection to the brand, up-selling to the RS or new models, PR teasing, PTS profits, etc....
Comprehensive marketing model for classroom stuff...kudos to Porsche...they got us involved
)
10-17-2018, 01:42 PM
#107
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10-17-2018, 01:47 PM
#108
GT cars will eventually make the switch to a turbo/hybrid system but we will more than likely see it with the Motorsports division first, and specifically the RSR/GT3/Cup cars. Having heard plenty of spy videos of both the street prototypes as well as prototype race-cars should give you a good indication that the NA engine is staying for a little while longer.
10-19-2018, 01:28 AM
#112
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why worry, there will always be a virgin ...
chillax guys..
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11-30-2018, 01:50 PM
#113
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Oh **** - what’s this?
It was also announced today that FSW will succeed Achleitner as head of 911/718 development.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...ion-retain-key
It was also announced today that FSW will succeed Achleitner as head of 911/718 development.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...ion-retain-key
The next Porsche 911 GT3 will be innovative with its suspension system but retain rear-wheel drive and most likely a naturally aspirated engine without any hybrid assistance, according to Porsche GT boss Frank Walliser.
Speaking at the Los Angeles motor show, where the new 992-generation 911 has been revealed, Walliser said that his department “has some really cool ideas on the GT side for suspension". "There’s more potential again, and it will be very much a GT3”, he said.
The next GT3 will arrive around a year after the launch of the standard 911, meaning a 2020 on-sale date is likely. Walliser hinted that it would retain a naturally aspirated engine and not adopt four-wheel drive, giving Porsche a key point of difference still when rivals have gone with one or both of those technologies.
“We’ve discussed four-wheel drive, but with a rear-engined concept it has a different impact than on a front-engined or mid-engined car,” said Walliser.
“Part of the GT cars is that they’re raw, they’re lightweight; four-wheel drive gives you something in the wet but adds 50kg, and you lose some of the fuel capacity of our 90-litre tank.
“We’ve discussed but come to the conclusion two-wheel drive on the 911 layout is best. It can handle the power, no problem, with the chassis and tyre technology all helping.”
Another topic of discussion at GT has been hybrid technology for the 911, but the conversation “has not gone from the tea kitchen to meeting rooms” yet.
“With the performance hybrid knowledge we have, what will the future GT car be like?” Walliser said. “With a GT car, it’s really simplified as giving perfect feedback and a very light design. It’s more than engine power; it’s other refinements that make a good car.
“It’s in a niche market, but it’s a big niche, and we have an asset that we don’t want to give up.”
To that end, hybrid power remains a long way off, but don’t expect to see a turbocharged GT3, either, Walliser hinted, contrary to the claims of some. “Turbo adds another 40kg, a hybrid more so,” said Walliser.
“Normally aspirated and hybrid fits together very, very well. The 918 Spyder was hybrid and normally aspirated. It’s the most emotional thing we have, and we have to stay emotional.”
A manual gearbox is also set to be retained, after it was retuned to the Mk2 version of the 991 GT3. Around 25% of all GT3s are sold with that option and as many as 75% in the US.
Speaking at the Los Angeles motor show, where the new 992-generation 911 has been revealed, Walliser said that his department “has some really cool ideas on the GT side for suspension". "There’s more potential again, and it will be very much a GT3”, he said.
The next GT3 will arrive around a year after the launch of the standard 911, meaning a 2020 on-sale date is likely. Walliser hinted that it would retain a naturally aspirated engine and not adopt four-wheel drive, giving Porsche a key point of difference still when rivals have gone with one or both of those technologies.
“We’ve discussed four-wheel drive, but with a rear-engined concept it has a different impact than on a front-engined or mid-engined car,” said Walliser.
“Part of the GT cars is that they’re raw, they’re lightweight; four-wheel drive gives you something in the wet but adds 50kg, and you lose some of the fuel capacity of our 90-litre tank.
“We’ve discussed but come to the conclusion two-wheel drive on the 911 layout is best. It can handle the power, no problem, with the chassis and tyre technology all helping.”
Another topic of discussion at GT has been hybrid technology for the 911, but the conversation “has not gone from the tea kitchen to meeting rooms” yet.
“With the performance hybrid knowledge we have, what will the future GT car be like?” Walliser said. “With a GT car, it’s really simplified as giving perfect feedback and a very light design. It’s more than engine power; it’s other refinements that make a good car.
“It’s in a niche market, but it’s a big niche, and we have an asset that we don’t want to give up.”
To that end, hybrid power remains a long way off, but don’t expect to see a turbocharged GT3, either, Walliser hinted, contrary to the claims of some. “Turbo adds another 40kg, a hybrid more so,” said Walliser.
“Normally aspirated and hybrid fits together very, very well. The 918 Spyder was hybrid and normally aspirated. It’s the most emotional thing we have, and we have to stay emotional.”
A manual gearbox is also set to be retained, after it was retuned to the Mk2 version of the 991 GT3. Around 25% of all GT3s are sold with that option and as many as 75% in the US.
11-30-2018, 05:27 PM
#114
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Thanks nice quote.
Basically confirns the essentials for the 992.1 GT3. It will be very similar to the 991.2 GT3 in being NA, no hybrid, but with manual option. I’m sure it will have the 991.2 RS engine, and approx 520 HP.
the only question how they reduce weight on the 992 body given that the 992 Carrera S is 163lbs heavier than the 991.2 carrera S.
Maybe the 992 GT3 will keep the current 7 speed PDK both because the 7 is significantly lighter than the 8 speed PDK, and because it’s already has track gearing unlike the 8 speed.
Besides that, I’m real curious how they will reduce the weight of the bloated 992 Carrera body for the 992 GT3.
Basically confirns the essentials for the 992.1 GT3. It will be very similar to the 991.2 GT3 in being NA, no hybrid, but with manual option. I’m sure it will have the 991.2 RS engine, and approx 520 HP.
the only question how they reduce weight on the 992 body given that the 992 Carrera S is 163lbs heavier than the 991.2 carrera S.
Maybe the 992 GT3 will keep the current 7 speed PDK both because the 7 is significantly lighter than the 8 speed PDK, and because it’s already has track gearing unlike the 8 speed.
Besides that, I’m real curious how they will reduce the weight of the bloated 992 Carrera body for the 992 GT3.
11-30-2018, 06:27 PM
#115
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Thanks nice quote.
Basically confirns the essentials for the 992.1 GT3. It will be very similar to the 991.2 GT3 in being NA, no hybrid, but with manual option. I’m sure it will have the 991.2 RS engine, and approx 520 HP.
the only question how they reduce weight on the 992 body given that the 992 Carrera S is 163lbs heavier than the 991.2 carrera S.
Maybe the 992 GT3 will keep the current 7 speed PDK both because the 7 is significantly lighter than the 8 speed PDK, and because it’s already has track gearing unlike the 8 speed.
Besides that, I’m real curious how they will reduce the weight of the bloated 992 Carrera body for the 992 GT3.
Basically confirns the essentials for the 992.1 GT3. It will be very similar to the 991.2 GT3 in being NA, no hybrid, but with manual option. I’m sure it will have the 991.2 RS engine, and approx 520 HP.
the only question how they reduce weight on the 992 body given that the 992 Carrera S is 163lbs heavier than the 991.2 carrera S.
Maybe the 992 GT3 will keep the current 7 speed PDK both because the 7 is significantly lighter than the 8 speed PDK, and because it’s already has track gearing unlike the 8 speed.
Besides that, I’m real curious how they will reduce the weight of the bloated 992 Carrera body for the 992 GT3.
With the same manual and no filter, the 992 GT3 may be within a few pounds of the 991.2, if not a few pounds lighter thanks to extra aluminum.
With only 20 more HP and same weight, the sub 7 min Ring time will have to come from (active) aero on GT3. We know it’s possible from current RS.
Question is where does that leave the next RS if 4.0 is maxed out? I’m guessing hybrid RS.
11-30-2018, 06:55 PM
#116
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Curb weight for PDK Carrera 4s, both wide body.
2020 Carrera 4s — 3487 lbs
2018 Carrera 4s — 3329 lbs
11-30-2018, 07:55 PM
#117
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I think the 992 gained 121 pounds or so
11-30-2018, 07:59 PM
#118
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11-30-2018, 08:11 PM
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11-30-2018, 09:00 PM
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The new car is actually 55lbs heavier most likely due to the extra PDK gear and particulate filter. The 992 2S is 120+lbs heavier because it is now the wide body vs the narrow body of the 991.2 2S. The 992 4S is only 55lbs heavier than 991.2 4S.
With the same manual and no filter, the 992 GT3 may be within a few pounds of the 991.2, if not a few pounds lighter thanks to extra aluminum.
With only 20 more HP and same weight, the sub 7 min Ring time will have to come from (active) aero on GT3. We know it’s possible from current RS.
Question is where does that leave the next RS if 4.0 is maxed out? I’m guessing hybrid RS.
The 992.1 GT3 will weigh more than the 991.2 GT3, I'll be happy to bet $$$ on this.