992 Interior Spy Shots
#166
It’s actually more GT these days, but that’s beside the point. You referenced the displays in actual purpose built race cars as being reason why the 911 should be digital, which makes no sense. Also, the luxury cars that you say the 911 is not all have digital dashes these days. The argument for or against it has nothing to do with race cars or luxury cars, it simply has to do with what a Porsche 911 buyer wants, and the 911 is somewhat unique in that the die hard owner tends to value the tradition in the model and the connection to its history.
#167
I sat in the new Cayenne. I’m fine with the dash. The big screen is nice IMO, as well as the configurable instrument dials.
Remember, the 993 ended production 20 years ago. No going back.
Remember, the 993 ended production 20 years ago. No going back.
#168
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by Archimedes
It’s actually more GT these days, but that’s beside the point. You referenced the displays in actual purpose built race cars as being reason why the 911 should be digital, which makes no sense. Also, the luxury cars that you say the 911 is not all have digital dashes these days. The argument for or against it has nothing to do with race cars or luxury cars, it simply has to do with what a Porsche 911 buyer wants, and the 911 is somewhat unique in that the die hard owner tends to value the tradition in the model and the connection to its history.
Sports car drivers need info. Shift indicator lights, tire pressure and temperatures, etc. a speedometer needle is pretty useless and even an analog tachometer isn't really practical given how quickly our cars engines can hit the redline.
However since you don't like my Racecar examples, here are some Sports car examples which include Ferrari 488, Mclaren 570S, Mclaren P1, Lamborghini Aventador, Ford GT.
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Last edited by stealthpilot; 10-10-2018 at 11:45 PM.
#169
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by Keadog
I sat in the new Cayenne. I’m fine with the dash. The big screen is nice IMO, as well as the configurable instrument dials.
Remember, the 993 ended production 20 years ago. No going back.
Remember, the 993 ended production 20 years ago. No going back.
#170
Race Director
Porsche is building and designing cars for today's and tomorrow's buyer. They could care less about nostalgia. Technology and electronics are what buyers are wanting, especially in Porsche's # 1 sales market >> CHINA. The average buyer of these cars wants the latest and greatest. Doesn't always work in favor of the more traditional enthusiast who wants more simplicity and appreciates the driving experience first and foremost.
#171
As much of a modern purist as I try to be , my issue is not solely with the digital displays themselves but rather how poorly integrated they are along with the questionable ergonomics and gimmicky , confused nature of the interior design as a whole.
The above sport car references are extremely focused purpose built sports cars which I absolutely love and their interiors reflect that with a very driver focused and no nonsense approach which I also love. This is also what the 911's of past used to be.
IF the 911 went back in that direction I would have far less to complain about. Unfortunately, it seems they are instead moving towards full on luxury car interiors that closely resemble their decidedly non sports car offerings and that infuriates me.
The above sport car references are extremely focused purpose built sports cars which I absolutely love and their interiors reflect that with a very driver focused and no nonsense approach which I also love. This is also what the 911's of past used to be.
IF the 911 went back in that direction I would have far less to complain about. Unfortunately, it seems they are instead moving towards full on luxury car interiors that closely resemble their decidedly non sports car offerings and that infuriates me.
#172
Race Director
^^^ Agree ... with the sports car market struggling as is, and them wanting to grow and not lose ground in that segment, they try and cast the widest net as possible. That's what they're designing, two door cars that play double duty.
#173
^ Exactly limegreen. Based on the mule spyshots, Porsche doesn't appear to be putting in a dash like the Ferrari or McLaren. More like they're putting in something akin to the Panamera's.
Personally, I'd prefer a digital dash, if it's a good one, but I think Porsche has to tread carefully, and in no way does anything Porsche seems to be doing with the 992 say pure sports car. If anything it looks more GT than the 991, inside and out.
Personally, I'd prefer a digital dash, if it's a good one, but I think Porsche has to tread carefully, and in no way does anything Porsche seems to be doing with the 992 say pure sports car. If anything it looks more GT than the 991, inside and out.
#174
^ Exactly limegreen. Based on the mule spyshots, Porsche doesn't appear to be putting in a dash like the Ferrari or McLaren. More like they're putting in something akin to the Panamera's.
Personally, I'd prefer a digital dash, if it's a good one, but I think Porsche has to tread carefully, and in no way does anything Porsche seems to be doing with the 992 say pure sports car. If anything it looks more GT than the 991, inside and out.
Personally, I'd prefer a digital dash, if it's a good one, but I think Porsche has to tread carefully, and in no way does anything Porsche seems to be doing with the 992 say pure sports car. If anything it looks more GT than the 991, inside and out.
#175
But the 911 never was a "pure" sports car, it ultimately followed the same design principle as in the 356 and to an extent the Volkswagen. It always had a 2+2 seat configuration for the small family, a fairly upright and comfortable seating position, sizeable cargo space (with strapping something to the roof posing no issue) - and a durable drivetrain. The 911 was popular because it was sporty but remained practical and liveable and also could easily be adapted for competition on- or off-road.
Something like a half-digital dash does not suddenly make it not a pure sports car, it never was just a sports car. Porsche are just evolving the 911 with the times and the car will presumably remain true to the core concept like it always has.
Something like a half-digital dash does not suddenly make it not a pure sports car, it never was just a sports car. Porsche are just evolving the 911 with the times and the car will presumably remain true to the core concept like it always has.
#176
But the 911 never was a "pure" sports car, it ultimately followed the same design principle as in the 356 and to an extent the Volkswagen. It always had a 2+2 seat configuration for the small family, a fairly upright and comfortable seating position, sizeable cargo space (with strapping something to the roof posing no issue) - and a durable drivetrain. The 911 was popular because it was sporty but remained practical and liveable and also could easily be adapted for competition on- or off-road.
Something like a half-digital dash does not suddenly make it not a pure sports car, it never was just a sports car. Porsche are just evolving the 911 with the times and the car will presumably remain true to the core concept like it always has.
Something like a half-digital dash does not suddenly make it not a pure sports car, it never was just a sports car. Porsche are just evolving the 911 with the times and the car will presumably remain true to the core concept like it always has.
#177
But the 911 never was a "pure" sports car, it ultimately followed the same design principle as in the 356 and to an extent the Volkswagen. It always had a 2+2 seat configuration for the small family, a fairly upright and comfortable seating position, sizeable cargo space (with strapping something to the roof posing no issue) - and a durable drivetrain. The 911 was popular because it was sporty but remained practical and liveable and also could easily be adapted for competition on- or off-road.
Something like a half-digital dash does not suddenly make it not a pure sports car, it never was just a sports car. Porsche are just evolving the 911 with the times and the car will presumably remain true to the core concept like it always has.
Something like a half-digital dash does not suddenly make it not a pure sports car, it never was just a sports car. Porsche are just evolving the 911 with the times and the car will presumably remain true to the core concept like it always has.
#178
Three Wheelin'
Porsche is building and designing cars for today's and tomorrow's buyer. They could care less about nostalgia. Technology and electronics are what buyers are wanting, especially in Porsche's # 1 sales market >> CHINA. The average buyer of these cars wants the latest and greatest. Doesn't always work in favor of the more traditional enthusiast who wants more simplicity and appreciates the driving experience first and foremost.
I would want a digital cluster which can simultaneously display:
- Shift indicator lights
- Tire pressure and temp
- Oil pressure and temp
- Engine temp
- Range to empty
- Map so I know what is coming up (ideally a Waze map so I can also hazards)
- RPM
- Speed
- Gear
The Lamborghini Aventador digital cluster offers this and it would be a great choice for the 992 to copy. So does the McLaren instrument cluster. And the Ferrari one comes close.
The way I see it nostalgia is for people who don't really take advantage of the performance fully but just want a luxury car that looks like a traditional 911. So innovation filters from race cars (which are 100% focused on the performance driver) to McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini which draw inspiration from race cars, to Porsche who draws inspiration from these. Take the mode wheel on the 991.2 wheel. That is an F1 idea, that Ferrari brought to sports cars, which Porsche then copied a few years later. Also paddles. If you remember Porsche initially resisted paddles and had those crappy tiptronic buttons. Then after Ferrari offered real paddles for a few years, Porsche got the hint.
Last edited by stealthpilot; 10-11-2018 at 10:27 AM.
#180
Rennlist Member
1st post here (long time member of Planet 9 - different user name)
Everyone has different wants, dislikes, and "red lines." The analogue tach and a manual transmission are musts for me. That's just me. What I've read about the 992 being push-button start really bothers me. If inserting a key and turning it isn't an option, I don't know if that in and of itself will be a deal breaker, but it will be close. (After 6 years in my 981S, I still smile every time I turn/click the key on or off, and shake my head when I push the stupid start buttons on my "lesser cars.") If there is an open cup holder anywhere, around the shifter, that alone could be a deal breaker. A note in the May 2018 All Stars article in Automobile Magazine about the Panamera 4S has me worried: "... the overreliance on touchscreens to the point of menu scrolling to adjust the HVAC vent position is downright silly. At least Porsche kept the tachometer analog." Can that possibly be true? Needing to scroll through a menu to adjust the vent position! If they do that on the 992, I'm 100% out. I've had a deposit down on a 992 GTS for about 4 months, but I'm really worried about the interior. I'm glad that no one has been able to actually see it yet. That tells me that it's still a work in progress and that the ugly "spy shots" and renderings are not that close to the final product.
Everyone has different wants, dislikes, and "red lines." The analogue tach and a manual transmission are musts for me. That's just me. What I've read about the 992 being push-button start really bothers me. If inserting a key and turning it isn't an option, I don't know if that in and of itself will be a deal breaker, but it will be close. (After 6 years in my 981S, I still smile every time I turn/click the key on or off, and shake my head when I push the stupid start buttons on my "lesser cars.") If there is an open cup holder anywhere, around the shifter, that alone could be a deal breaker. A note in the May 2018 All Stars article in Automobile Magazine about the Panamera 4S has me worried: "... the overreliance on touchscreens to the point of menu scrolling to adjust the HVAC vent position is downright silly. At least Porsche kept the tachometer analog." Can that possibly be true? Needing to scroll through a menu to adjust the vent position! If they do that on the 992, I'm 100% out. I've had a deposit down on a 992 GTS for about 4 months, but I'm really worried about the interior. I'm glad that no one has been able to actually see it yet. That tells me that it's still a work in progress and that the ugly "spy shots" and renderings are not that close to the final product.