2022 Turbo S - how much over msrp have you heard?
08-28-2022, 07:27 PM
#121
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M4 CSL
1. Overpriced at $140K, about double of a regular M4. Anything around $150K or more is too much for a BMW.
2. Ugly with the stripes
3. Minimum weight savings, still weighs 3,600 plus pounds
4. Big ugly G Series car
5. Weak 0 - 60 at 3.6 seconds
6. Probably will have a lot of depreciation
7. Curious that the car is being released with no magazine drive reviews. What are they hiding?
1. Overpriced at $140K, about double of a regular M4. Anything around $150K or more is too much for a BMW.
2. Ugly with the stripes
3. Minimum weight savings, still weighs 3,600 plus pounds
4. Big ugly G Series car
5. Weak 0 - 60 at 3.6 seconds
6. Probably will have a lot of depreciation
7. Curious that the car is being released with no magazine drive reviews. What are they hiding?
08-30-2022, 02:58 PM
#122
These cars are piling up on AT and cars. com. Also, a lot of price drops in the past months which is good news
08-30-2022, 03:41 PM
#123
For business purposes, dealers are doing a cash grab. Seems unfair but its about making money on their end. Right now production is drastically slowed by all manufacturers. I sometimes feel that its all smoke and mirrors on the reason why and speculate, if they can make 1/3 less cars but make 100% of what they would if they made them all with less cost in production, staffing, and parts. I believe this will change the moment one organization ramps up production, fills the lots, and sells and MSRP. At that point Competition will follow and things would go back to normal. All they are waiting for is, who is going to pull that trigger first. All a theory of course.
08-30-2022, 03:58 PM
#124
For business purposes, dealers are doing a cash grab. Seems unfair but its about making money on their end. Right now production is drastically slowed by all manufacturers. I sometimes feel that its all smoke and mirrors on the reason why and speculate, if they can make 1/3 less cars but make 100% of what they would if they made them all with less cost in production, staffing, and parts. I believe this will change the moment one organization ramps up production, fills the lots, and sells and MSRP. At that point Competition will follow and things would go back to normal. All they are waiting for is, who is going to pull that trigger first. All a theory of course.
Unfortunately we are in a global manipulated marketplace where shortages are being engineered for some overarching reason by a conglomerate of the ultra-wealthy. Look up the "World Economic Forum" and thoughts floating around on the internet on their goals for society.
I don't think production will ever return to healthy levels because all of these manufacturers are being forced by a larger controlling entity to slow production and create an artificial scarcity situation.
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08-30-2022, 04:28 PM
#125
In a normal free market situation this is exactly what would occur.
Unfortunately we are in a global manipulated marketplace where shortages are being engineered for some overarching reason by a conglomerate of the ultra-wealthy. Look up the "World Economic Forum" and thoughts floating around on the internet on their goals for society.
I don't think production will ever return to healthy levels because all of these manufacturers are being forced by a larger controlling entity to slow production and create an artificial scarcity situation.
Unfortunately we are in a global manipulated marketplace where shortages are being engineered for some overarching reason by a conglomerate of the ultra-wealthy. Look up the "World Economic Forum" and thoughts floating around on the internet on their goals for society.
I don't think production will ever return to healthy levels because all of these manufacturers are being forced by a larger controlling entity to slow production and create an artificial scarcity situation.
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08-30-2022, 06:58 PM
#129
When I am elected President, I will commission a special counsel to investigate the malicious dinocide that occurred in the year 65 million BC.
08-30-2022, 07:41 PM
#130
Race Car
For business purposes, dealers are doing a cash grab. Seems unfair but its about making money on their end. Right now production is drastically slowed by all manufacturers. I sometimes feel that its all smoke and mirrors on the reason why and speculate, if they can make 1/3 less cars but make 100% of what they would if they made them all with less cost in production, staffing, and parts. I believe this will change the moment one organization ramps up production, fills the lots, and sells and MSRP. At that point Competition will follow and things would go back to normal. All they are waiting for is, who is going to pull that trigger first. All a theory of course.
08-30-2022, 08:04 PM
#131
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My Theory....
New vehicle sales by year (sales info is from Internet, so maybe not that accurate but it should be close)
2018 17.3 Million
2019 17+ Million
2020 3.4 Million
2021 15 Million
2022 15.7 Million (Estimated)
As one can see, there are simply not enough new cars available for sale since 2020. As a result, demand is steady to high, availability is low and prices shot up. As a result, many people are holding onto their cars longer. But eventually, those older cars need to be replaced too. While production is up and improving every day, if sales simply continue at the current rate of 15-17 million new cars per year, it will take a very long time for car manufacturers to catch up with demand for replacement vehicles. Thus limited availability and high prices could be here for a long time. If we end up having a couple of strong sales years with 20+ million new cars sold per year the industry should catch up with demand. But since that's not happening right now due to many factors, cars will continue to remain in short supply (and sell for higher prices) Obviously this is a VERY simplified theory. If I were a betting man, (and i'm not) id bet prices are not going to come down any time soon.
New vehicle sales by year (sales info is from Internet, so maybe not that accurate but it should be close)
2018 17.3 Million
2019 17+ Million
2020 3.4 Million
2021 15 Million
2022 15.7 Million (Estimated)
As one can see, there are simply not enough new cars available for sale since 2020. As a result, demand is steady to high, availability is low and prices shot up. As a result, many people are holding onto their cars longer. But eventually, those older cars need to be replaced too. While production is up and improving every day, if sales simply continue at the current rate of 15-17 million new cars per year, it will take a very long time for car manufacturers to catch up with demand for replacement vehicles. Thus limited availability and high prices could be here for a long time. If we end up having a couple of strong sales years with 20+ million new cars sold per year the industry should catch up with demand. But since that's not happening right now due to many factors, cars will continue to remain in short supply (and sell for higher prices) Obviously this is a VERY simplified theory. If I were a betting man, (and i'm not) id bet prices are not going to come down any time soon.
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08-30-2022, 10:23 PM
#132
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Politics are the very reason why these cars are being eradicated. We’re trying to keep the passion and opportunity alive for the next generation by pointing out who is trying to destroy it.
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08-30-2022, 10:28 PM
#133
On another note, if any of you want to buy a car that will last decades and hundred of thousands of miles. I would buy a Honda Accord. I have had many for personal and business. Driving all of them well past 200k miles with room to spare. Not flashy but well worth it.
08-31-2022, 08:23 AM
#134
Pretty much, it's the whole reason why we won't see cars with ICEs in the next 15 or so years.
08-31-2022, 09:28 AM
#135
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supply of cars is getting better. Some brands more than others
I see trucks unloading cars at dealerships more than couple of months ago
I noticed increase ads both on TV and Local radio. This means dealers are expecting more supply , otherwise why run ads and waste money
I see trucks unloading cars at dealerships more than couple of months ago
I noticed increase ads both on TV and Local radio. This means dealers are expecting more supply , otherwise why run ads and waste money
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