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Old 04-21-2021, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 997usa
Insurance is so hard to compare.... There are many factors that determine the price, based on each individual's profile, cars, history, coverages, stated v. actual value, etc etc....
Hopefully OP sees that it is not a great Q to answer accurately and it heavily depends.
agreed 100% that’s why the op needs to call his/her insurance company. They can give him/her an accurate number based on the car and approximate MSRP. We can’t answer this question. I call ahead on all my cars before I buy.

my 992 turbo s just got to Baltimore port, I already have the number for insurance.
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Old 04-21-2021, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Td33
agreed 100% that’s why the op needs to call his/her insurance company. They can give him/her an accurate number based on the car and approximate MSRP. We can’t answer this question. I call ahead on all my cars before I buy.

my 992 turbo s just got to Baltimore port, I already have the number for insurance.
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Old 04-21-2021, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by coastal
the first 1year/10k service is included with the car. the porsche configurator says you can buy pre-paid plan, if you've owned an Audi, it would be similar to AudiCare. I think it's $5000 for the TT/TTS and covers year 2, 3, and 4. Essentially the entire factory warranty period.

https://www.porsche.com/usa/accessor...ntenance/psmp/
I would not recommend buying the prepaid option unless you are going to drive 10K miles per year as the dealer will request that you do the maintenance on the time interval rather than mileage.
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Old 04-21-2021, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ER911S
I would not recommend buying the prepaid option unless you are going to drive 10K miles per year as the dealer will request that you do the maintenance on the time interval rather than mileage.
I will drive 6-8k miles per year, wouldn't the time interval continue to be correct for the service intervals? I thought the maintenance intervals were 12 months or 10k miles.

Service 1 included: 12 months and 6-8k miles
Service 2 pre-paid: 24 months and 12-16k miles
Service 3 pre-paid: 36 months and 18-24k miles
Service 4 pre-paid 48 months and 24-32k miles.
(My current plan is to trade in the MY2021 992.1 TTS (July ETA delivery) just after 48 month mark for a new MY2026 992.2 TTS (August/September 2025 ETA build, Fall 2025 delivery)

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Old 04-21-2021, 01:35 PM
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Appreciate the responses; hindsight my question behind the question was more towards maintenance and I get the 992 is too early but based on experiences folks may have had with their 991s comparisons can be drawn.

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Based on your estimate, you would only need Service 3 based on mileage and you would save one service. If you buy the package, Porsche will make you do it based on time.
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Old 04-21-2021, 05:59 PM
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As far as maintenance, I have had my 991.2 TTS for 2.5 years and have spent money on oil changes (2) and one brake fluid change service (1) in 12,000 miles (car has 21K miles)........$350 total. Insurance is $ 100 a month. Depreciation as mentioned is the big one, but since I bought a CPO car with less than 10K miles, the first guy took the bigger hit so far....I figure depreciation the first 3 years I have owned it at $ 20 k. First owner lost $30K in first year......

A very dependable car albeit low miles but used daily in retirement.......
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Originally Posted by coastal
I will drive 6-8k miles per year, wouldn't the time interval continue to be correct for the service intervals? I thought the maintenance intervals were 12 months or 10k miles.

Service 1 included: 12 months and 6-8k miles
Service 2 pre-paid: 24 months and 12-16k miles
Service 3 pre-paid: 36 months and 18-24k miles
Service 4 pre-paid 48 months and 24-32k miles.
(My current plan is to trade in the MY2021 992.1 TTS (July ETA delivery) just after 48 month mark for a new MY2026 992.2 TTS (August/September 2025 ETA build, Fall 2025 delivery)
I only do about 5k miles/yr and found it's not worth it unless you're doing close to their annual mileage estimate of 10k. Otherwise you'll find yourself getting spark plugs and other mileage-based maintenance items replaced much sooner than needed.
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I think the biggest expense in terms of maintenance are the PCCB disks. I've read they cost about $20k for the set but *might* last for 100k mi with street driving. However the disks can be easily chipped/damaged if you're not careful when swapping wheels etc.
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Old 04-21-2021, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
No offense, but if you're asking these questions most likely you can't afford the car to begin with.
That’s like saying you’ll pay Veyron on prices for a 992 Turbo, or money is no object. TCO is a totally normal question.

With that said, Porsches are very reliable. Other than taxes which vary, maintenance is very reasonable for a $200k+ car. Not quite Honda maintenance costs but not astronomical. Even the big services can be reasonable (commensurate with a $200k car) especially if you find a competent independent shop to do the work.
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Old 04-22-2021, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by turbonator
I think the biggest expense in terms of maintenance are the PCCB disks. I've read they cost about $20k for the set but *might* last for 100k mi with street driving. However the disks can be easily chipped/damaged if you're not careful when swapping wheels etc.
Originally Posted by turbonator
I only do about 5k miles/yr and found it's not worth it unless you're doing close to their annual mileage estimate of 10k. Otherwise you'll find yourself getting spark plugs and other mileage-based maintenance items replaced much sooner than needed.
Originally Posted by abiazis
As far as maintenance, I have had my 991.2 TTS for 2.5 years and have spent money on oil changes (2) and one brake fluid change service (1) in 12,000 miles (car has 21K miles)........$350 total. Insurance is $ 100 a month. Depreciation as mentioned is the big one, but since I bought a CPO car with less than 10K miles, the first guy took the bigger hit so far....I figure depreciation the first 3 years I have owned it at $ 20 k. First owner lost $30K in first year......

A very dependable car albeit low miles but used daily in retirement.......
Originally Posted by c1pher
That’s like saying you’ll pay Veyron on prices for a 992 Turbo, or money is no object. TCO is a totally normal question.

With that said, Porsches are very reliable. Other than taxes which vary, maintenance is very reasonable for a $200k+ car. Not quite Honda maintenance costs but not astronomical. Even the big services can be reasonable (commensurate with a $200k car) especially if you find a competent independent shop to do the work.
thanks much appreciate these insights. And I guess that is my biggest worry - i.e. will I be getting into a car that is always requiring money for maintenance etc. I really value dependability and this would be a daily driver (otherwise I would go for a Ferrari and know the headaches I am getting into). I realize my original question may have been poorly worded but my intent was to understand total cost of ownership.
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If you are going to worry about the maintenance (whether its actual or not) why bother with the car? Seems like a hassle. You won't drive it because you'll be worried. Buy something else. Life it too short my friend.
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Originally Posted by lucycan
If you are going to worry about the maintenance (whether its actual or not) why bother with the car? Seems like a hassle. You won't drive it because you'll be worried. Buy something else. Life it too short my friend.
there is an element of reasonable maintenance and then there are cars that are constantly in the shop; I know you are trying to be tongue-in-cheek, but I assumed most understand what I am implying by maintenance burden.
Old 04-22-2021, 03:54 PM
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Biggest problem I see with my car is that I want to drive it and enjoy it but I also want to keep the miles down because I want it to last forever (even though I won't be around forever!).
I've come to terms that I will drive it, enjoy it, take generally good care of the car, even though I am going to mod it, and then replace the things that wear out as the miles add up.
These cars are pretty solid so I don't anticipate many large costs, at least for the foreseeable future.
Fortunately, for general maintenance, I have a lift in the garage and can do most of my own work, so it will be a labor of love.
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Old 04-23-2021, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 911token
thanks much appreciate these insights. And I guess that is my biggest worry - i.e. will I be getting into a car that is always requiring money for maintenance etc. I really value dependability and this would be a daily driver (otherwise I would go for a Ferrari and know the headaches I am getting into). I realize my original question may have been poorly worded but my intent was to understand total cost of ownership.
I think that is the beauty of Porsche. Ferrari has certainly gotten better in terms of reliability, and Porsche has had some issues over time, but overall Porsches are very reliable, like Toyota reliable.
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