Pad Bender

6 weeks since my TT delivery and nothing but smiles. Its hard to imagine how a TT could disappoint if you are cool with having a slightly more athletic twin.

I spec'd it to my pleasure but held off on most of the TTS goodies like PDCC, CL wheels, PCCB and carbon. Car still performs like a champ and looks killer.

Took the 30k and put it towards those extras like PPF, winters, gas, car washes, race cats, kids school...the list goes on.

No regrets here.

Salj

Glad to hear! Any impressions on the race cats yet?

Pad Bender

Race cats have been a pleasure this weekend. Sounds are definitely more dynamic and can get attention...got a couple of claps from other drivers. The engine seems just a little more flexible with a better exhale. I do notice a more punch with the throttle.

Couldn't do a full run most of the roads were ice and snow covered where I was...more to come.

Sorcerer 11

Agree with all these comments. Had them on my 2014 991 Turbo as well.

Sorcerer 11

Great to hear you are loving your car, whether TTS or TT, they are awesome cars.

sexfiend

Yeah but that 1%.

Pad Bender

I have yet to see any instrumented performance tests on a TT...anyone else?

Rocket_boy

Nope - and I think I know why It's all orchestrated by Porsche,....the masters. Turbo S announced first - lauded by just about every tester - order pipeline fills up. Turbo announced some time after - but built in very small numbers the first year. (can't harm those initial quarter million dollar S sales) Road / instrumented tests between the two are non-existent,....hmmmm, wonder why. A couple of reviews of the turbos - but no real performance data included.

Same thing happened with the 991 generations - and when all was said and done the Turbo was always within 1 or 2 10ths of second of the TTS - there was even one test (have to dig it up) where the Turbo showed 1/10th faster than an S. The two are just so close in performance it's almost a wash - but I'm betting the profit on the average TTS is much greater compared to the average TT.

rk-d

I've only read one review where the reviewer drove the Turbo first followed by the Turbo S. That reviewer preferred the TTS, but of course it's just one opinion and it's subjective.

The 991.2 TT and TTS had very similar power bands and graphs. Real world performance was very similar.

To be fair the delta between the TT and TTS in the 992 generation is quite a bit more than the 991.2. Whether that translates to real world differences is hard to say. At a 70HP difference, I think it's fair to say there is going to be a difference. $25,000 difference worth? If you want PCCBs (+/- PDCC, Center locks, carbon interior trim and Matrix lights)....then I'd say yes.

Sorcerer 11

Wonder how the road tests would fair if both the TT and TTS were dressed identically, the TT with the TTS wheels, PCCB's and an S emblem on it making it look identical.
Wonder how many would actually tell the difference if they didn't actually know which was which??

luv2sleep

Quite a few cars require drastic tunes and upgrades in order to "catch up" to the next trim level model. In the case of modern forced induction 911s, a simple tune will allow a lower trim car to achieve par or even surpass the higher trim version. For example, a base model 991.2 with an ECU tune will make close to GTS power. A Carrera S with the same tune will certainly make more power than a stock GTS. With such a small spread between the TT vs. TTS, the potential is even greater. Of course, a tuned TTS will be king but with other mods, the spread between a similarly tuned TT and TTS most likely will be minute. The question is, will you risk to pay to play?
If 0.1 second difference out of the box is that important, the Turbo S is your choice. It's only money and life is short!

rk-d

Part of what makes a Turbo S is all that extra stuff. If you fit a Turbo to match the stock Turbo S configuration, the price balloons to $194k. At that point, the question becomes -- is the extra 70 HP worth $10,000.

That said, I think the differences on a track would probably be clear. Farting around town at legal speeds? Might be hard to tell.

Pad Bender

On the street, where TQ is king, I am willing to bet there is no real palpable difference. TQ is not far off (553 vs 590 and peak TQ band is fatter on the TT at 2250-4500) Im already hitting 0-60mph in 3.0 seconds slipping like hell on winter tires in subzero temps.

Clearly, the TTS shines on the 1/4 and track and would be expected to have a performance gap. Thats the 70 hp, pdcc and pccb working hard for your dollars.

Sorcerer 11

I wasn't suggesting you would actually spec a TT to TTS, just merely wondering if anyone would really tell the difference in power if they didn't know. You can get good and bad engine versions of both, so a good TT against a bad TTS.....they might judge it incorrectly.
Hell I have a TTS because I wanted the best version....whether it actually is I certainly will never know.

rk-d

I believe the TT has a slightly wider powerband that peaks a smidge earlier than the TTS. I suspect real separation between the two occurs at triple digits. The TTS has slightly different turbos, but I don't think lag is an issue in comparison.

Equally equipped and taking value out of the equation, I think it would be a pretty subtle difference at street speeds. I do believe it would be noticeable, but not like the difference between a Carrera and a Turbo. Conversely, the weight of the two cars are the same, so you aren't getting a lighter Carrera T like experience. It's the same car, but slower.

All speculative, of course. And no one specs a Turbo with PDCC and PCCBs, so true comparisons are almost impossible.

I do know this - when I had a 991.2 TT, I never said "I wish this thing had more power". I did, however, say "I wish I didn't spend so much on options and just stepped up to a Turbo S". Picking spec on a Turbo is a tricky balance.