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Old Mar 18, 2026 | 11:19 PM
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Interesting read. Kudos to @chicagomarketing for diving into the research and analytics of this plausible scenario.
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Old Mar 18, 2026 | 11:32 PM
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How many more threads on this subject do we need?
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by John Mclane
De beers with diamonds is not dissimilar. Swatch sells a particular watch only when it snows in Switzerland and salespeople in stores tell clients that they need to arrive at 2 hours prior to open so they can get one (I don't think that happens).
FOMO is a big driver in emotional purchases.
Unfortunately, being informed and still wanting the car just makes it more painful. Either you don't get it or pay to play.
I got mine recently, but with a feeling like getting a reservation on a trendy restaurant after the chef moved to a different one.
I have that watch! Didn't try at all to get it though. Wife just walked into the store while she was traveling and it happened to be a snowy day. Wouldn't pay any markup for it though, it's a stretch in value at retail as is.
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 10:21 AM
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Wonder how (or if) the ST cars may have played into this scenario? ST’s are all now sitting at $650k++ish.. hmmm…

FWIW, I recently watched a YouTube of a podcast w Tom Hartley and Schmee150- Tim Burton, where in a glancing ‘quick’ comment about the (paraphrasing) mess of the market and prices due to BaT and other auction sites. I kinda lingered on that comment for a second wondering what exactly they were alluding to, and me thinks they probably know a lot more than we do.
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by w2ge
Wonder how (or if) the ST cars may have played into this scenario? ST’s are all now sitting at $650k++ish.. hmmm…

FWIW, I recently watched a YouTube of a podcast w Tom Hartley and Schmee150- Tim Burton, where in a glancing ‘quick’ comment about the (paraphrasing) mess of the market and prices due to BaT and other auction sites. I kinda lingered on that comment for a second wondering what exactly they were alluding to, and me thinks they probably know a lot more than we do.
Of course they do, people like Shmee actually talk to owners and have a good idea what games dealers play with them, what they're paying for cars, etc.

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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 12:49 PM
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I have that watch! Didn't try at all to get it though. Wife just walked into the store while she was traveling and it happened to be a snowy day. Wouldn't pay any markup for it though, it's a stretch in value at retail as is.
Same here, no line, no fuss. Fake scarcity drives by marketing scheme. They had the nerve to tell me on a Saturday evening that they were out and should have more "tomorrow morning " (Sunday). As if deliveries were daily and over weekends.

Highly valued items have enough market that companies get away with it. High margins making up for sales volume. All they need is to sell all minus one. With that said, the current situation is of market manipulation, but I don't see anyone doing anything about it, as it's a "free market".
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 01:30 PM
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LOL. I barely have time for basic self care, but I have time for this insanely over complex AI scenario? But I love a good conspiracy, so rock on! Foil hat on!
This "analysis" is riddled with so many factual errors of even basic info: who we are, our business, the bidders and who they are etc, BEFORE even getting to the insane scenario proposed. Sheesh!

The funny part is as someone on the other side of the table from most folks in what we see in terms of data, buyers, bidders, fake accounts, shady sellers etc is that this analysis had the opportunity to pick up much bigger trends and completely missed the mark for the sake of dotted line conspiracy. Bummer.
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 01:48 PM
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 01:54 PM
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The funny part is as someone on the other side of the table from most folks in what we see in terms of data, buyers, bidders, fake accounts, shady sellers etc is that this analysis had the opportunity to pick up much bigger trends and completely missed the mark for the sake of dotted line conspiracy. Bummer.
Please, continue…
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LOL. I barely have time for basic self care, but I have time for this insanely over complex AI scenario? But I love a good conspiracy, so rock on! Foil hat on!
This "analysis" is riddled with so many factual errors of even basic info: who we are, our business, the bidders and who they are etc, BEFORE even getting to the insane scenario proposed. Sheesh!

The funny part is as someone on the other side of the table from most folks in what we see in terms of data, buyers, bidders, fake accounts, shady sellers etc is that this analysis had the opportunity to pick up much bigger trends and completely missed the mark for the sake of dotted line conspiracy. Bummer.
Reality check has entered the chat.
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I have contacted Nick Shirley to investigate.
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by wob
LOL. I barely have time for basic self care, but I have time for this insanely over complex AI scenario? But I love a good conspiracy, so rock on! Foil hat on!
This "analysis" is riddled with so many factual errors of even basic info: who we are, our business, the bidders and who they are etc, BEFORE even getting to the insane scenario proposed. Sheesh!

The funny part is as someone on the other side of the table from most folks in what we see in terms of data, buyers, bidders, fake accounts, shady sellers etc is that this analysis had the opportunity to pick up much bigger trends and completely missed the mark for the sake of dotted line conspiracy. Bummer.
Many would like to hear you're side of this story... Perhaps you'd care to elaborate and contest the data driven analysis?
Context and Clarity may set you free!
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RealityGT
Context and Clarity may set you free!
Absolutely no world where I need to be "freed" lol. People can believe whatever they would like, including this very entertaining analysis.
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 05:05 PM
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Kudos to @chicagomarketing for pulling the analysis together and we all know there's shill bidding on BAT and honestly I feel folks are wising up to BATs "legitimacy".

I've just bought a 718 Spyder returning to the Porsche fold and feel that the brand has now priced itself to the rich and wealthy and forgotten the upper middle class (oh but you can have your Cayenne or Macan sir....LOL). Its financial losses, dependence on the Chinese market and lack of "affordable" NA cars has truly driven folks elsewhere. Folks have also gone elsewhere because of the ADM games especially when they force you to take an unsold Taycan etc in order to get your GT car.

Optimistic but maybe Porsche starts to wise up the Shenanigans dealers play...I'm sure their stakeholders are already expressing their concerns.
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