991.2 RS vs 992 GT3…?
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totally but at first when i drove it home from the dealer i thought I was getting THAT old where I was becoming easily car sick. But then I watched some reviews that mentioned the same thing. 😂
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So much for the new fangled Double Wishbones. It seems to have made the car worse than the previous non DW GT3s. I fully expect the 992RS will be pretty much unbearable at slower speeds.
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Sorry but thats is a bit tired. And hackneyed.
There really is nothing truly analog about modern Porsche MT.
Between the rev match, power shift feature and the synchros etc, the only thing analog about the MT are the people who keep saying it’s more analog than the PDK.
It’s fine if one prefers the MT but to say it’s analog or more analog than its PDK brethren is like saying PCM navigation is more analog than Apple CarPlay. Which is just nonsense. It’s a distinction without a difference.
There really is nothing truly analog about modern Porsche MT.
Between the rev match, power shift feature and the synchros etc, the only thing analog about the MT are the people who keep saying it’s more analog than the PDK.
It’s fine if one prefers the MT but to say it’s analog or more analog than its PDK brethren is like saying PCM navigation is more analog than Apple CarPlay. Which is just nonsense. It’s a distinction without a difference.
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I had the 2, a 991.2 RS and a 992 GT3 Touring.
To sum up, I'm selling the RS...
of course it is not black or white, but the new 992 platform is a bit better IMO.
For street use, the 992 offers me more confidence than my RS with DSC module (CUP2 on both)
For Track, I've only used the 992 (the un-winged version) once in a circuit that I know very well and I was able to replicate the same lap times than the RS!
In my hands (I'm a decent amateur driver, not a pro) it is easier to drive to the limit the 992 than the RS. The 992 is definitely an easier car.
In the beginning I thought of having the RS mainly for track and the touring for weekends and dinners, but then I've realised that I could perfectly do everything with 992 GT3T.
To sum up, I'm selling the RS...
of course it is not black or white, but the new 992 platform is a bit better IMO.
For street use, the 992 offers me more confidence than my RS with DSC module (CUP2 on both)
For Track, I've only used the 992 (the un-winged version) once in a circuit that I know very well and I was able to replicate the same lap times than the RS!
In my hands (I'm a decent amateur driver, not a pro) it is easier to drive to the limit the 992 than the RS. The 992 is definitely an easier car.
In the beginning I thought of having the RS mainly for track and the touring for weekends and dinners, but then I've realised that I could perfectly do everything with 992 GT3T.
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I had the 2, a 991.2 RS and a 992 GT3 Touring.
To sum up, I'm selling the RS...
of course it is not black or white, but the new 992 platform is a bit better IMO.
For street use, the 992 offers me more confidence than my RS with DSC module (CUP2 on both)
For Track, I've only used the 992 (the un-winged version) once in a circuit that I know very well and I was able to replicate the same lap times than the RS!
In my hands (I'm a decent amateur driver, not a pro) it is easier to drive to the limit the 992 than the RS. The 992 is definitely an easier car.
In the beginning I thought of having the RS mainly for track and the touring for weekends and dinners, but then I've realised that I could perfectly do everything with 992 GT3T.
To sum up, I'm selling the RS...
of course it is not black or white, but the new 992 platform is a bit better IMO.
For street use, the 992 offers me more confidence than my RS with DSC module (CUP2 on both)
For Track, I've only used the 992 (the un-winged version) once in a circuit that I know very well and I was able to replicate the same lap times than the RS!
In my hands (I'm a decent amateur driver, not a pro) it is easier to drive to the limit the 992 than the RS. The 992 is definitely an easier car.
In the beginning I thought of having the RS mainly for track and the touring for weekends and dinners, but then I've realised that I could perfectly do everything with 992 GT3T.
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So bottom line is that they’re both good cars and it comes down to use case and subjective personal preference. As usual.
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I've never felt any kind of car "sickness" at slow speeds at all in my '23 992 Touring.
The steering can be a bit "twitchy", but as you said the turn-in is downright amazing!
I came from a 981 GT4 which felt like a go-kart and was incredibly stiff on the Michelins.
If you were on rough roads or a freeway with expansion joints, it was a jarring ride in the LWB's.
My 992 Touring is so much more compliant than my GT4, it truly is a breath of fresh air in many ways!
The clutch throw is much more user friendly as well. The GT4 clutch is super stiff.
The steering can be a bit "twitchy", but as you said the turn-in is downright amazing!
I came from a 981 GT4 which felt like a go-kart and was incredibly stiff on the Michelins.
If you were on rough roads or a freeway with expansion joints, it was a jarring ride in the LWB's.
My 992 Touring is so much more compliant than my GT4, it truly is a breath of fresh air in many ways!
The clutch throw is much more user friendly as well. The GT4 clutch is super stiff.
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The RS looks like a race car, the gt3 looks like a 911. I can’t extract the full potential of either so I go with the cool race car looks.
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The wishbones have nothing to do with that - that’s all about very stiff spring rates. The wishbones are a great upgrade (but not totally evident until pushing pretty hard).
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I used to have the 18 ways on my GTS, and they are ok for circuit. For sure in the buckets you are more attached to the car, no doubt about it, but doesn't mean that with the 18way you'll be sliding around the interior of the car. You should try them definitely.
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The 992 manual is NOT a true manual, other than you moving a lever and pushing in a pedal. You aren't actually directly in charge of the shift!
The 992 manual is based on the PDK in that the location or order of the gears in the box are not in sequential order, like a true manual of say a 997 gen.
If you attached a typical style cable system and selected 1 you would engage 3. This continues for all the gears. You may select 1 or 2 via the lever, but the computer makes the appropriate selection of the gear in the transmission.
This is why the manual today is superficial and is only meant to give you the feeling of being in full control of the shift, but you really aren't.
It does the job, don't get me wrong! But is computer controlled.
I see no technical hurdle to making a 992 both manual with a pedal clutch and a full PDK - both at the same time.
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Correct and I'll add to this.
The 992 manual is NOT a true manual, other than you moving a lever and pushing in a pedal. You aren't actually directly in charge of the shift!
The 992 manual is based on the PDK in that the location or order of the gears in the box are not in sequential order, like a true manual of say a 997 gen.
If you attached a typical style cable system and selected 1 you would engage 3. This continues for all the gears. You may select 1 or 2 via the lever, but the computer makes the appropriate selection of the gear in the transmission.
This is why the manual today is superficial and is only meant to give you the feeling of being in full control of the shift, but you really aren't.
It does the job, don't get me wrong! But is computer controlled.
I see no technical hurdle to making a 992 both manual with a pedal clutch and a full PDK - both at the same time.
The 992 manual is NOT a true manual, other than you moving a lever and pushing in a pedal. You aren't actually directly in charge of the shift!
The 992 manual is based on the PDK in that the location or order of the gears in the box are not in sequential order, like a true manual of say a 997 gen.
If you attached a typical style cable system and selected 1 you would engage 3. This continues for all the gears. You may select 1 or 2 via the lever, but the computer makes the appropriate selection of the gear in the transmission.
This is why the manual today is superficial and is only meant to give you the feeling of being in full control of the shift, but you really aren't.
It does the job, don't get me wrong! But is computer controlled.
I see no technical hurdle to making a 992 both manual with a pedal clutch and a full PDK - both at the same time.
NOT true. You can select any gear manually you want with this manual six speed. No gear is selected or controlled via a computer. You can slam that ****ing thing into 1st at 100 and grenade the engine or conversely go from 1st to 6th at 5mph and stall it. And to further hit this all home, you can actually “bump start” the car, which is 100% not possible with any computer controlled car because you have no power to a computer before bump start.
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Correct and I'll add to this.
The 992 manual is NOT a true manual, other than you moving a lever and pushing in a pedal. You aren't actually directly in charge of the shift!
The 992 manual is based on the PDK in that the location or order of the gears in the box are not in sequential order, like a true manual of say a 997 gen.
If you attached a typical style cable system and selected 1 you would engage 3. This continues for all the gears. You may select 1 or 2 via the lever, but the computer makes the appropriate selection of the gear in the transmission.
This is why the manual today is superficial and is only meant to give you the feeling of being in full control of the shift, but you really aren't.
It does the job, don't get me wrong! But is computer controlled.
I see no technical hurdle to making a 992 both manual with a pedal clutch and a full PDK - both at the same time.
The 992 manual is NOT a true manual, other than you moving a lever and pushing in a pedal. You aren't actually directly in charge of the shift!
The 992 manual is based on the PDK in that the location or order of the gears in the box are not in sequential order, like a true manual of say a 997 gen.
If you attached a typical style cable system and selected 1 you would engage 3. This continues for all the gears. You may select 1 or 2 via the lever, but the computer makes the appropriate selection of the gear in the transmission.
This is why the manual today is superficial and is only meant to give you the feeling of being in full control of the shift, but you really aren't.
It does the job, don't get me wrong! But is computer controlled.
I see no technical hurdle to making a 992 both manual with a pedal clutch and a full PDK - both at the same time.
I think the 6sp in the GT cars has no such mechanical re-mapping of the gear locations.
There are other shift-by-wire gearboxes that are a robotized version of a manual where the shift level is only an electronic interface that causes a robotic selection of a gear. Porsche manuals are NOT this type of shift-by-wire system (including the 7spd manual). Only the PDK is shift-by-wire. This type of system has also been considered for a "manual" version of the Corvette C8 gearbox.
The Porsche Manual gear selection mechanism is 100% analog and 0% digital. No computer control at all with respect to gear selection.
The only digital features have to do with the engine revs when you select a particular gear (rev matching and no-lift shift can override the throttle input, but nothing to do with gear selection).
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