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Old 03-24-2023, 09:30 PM
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Ford just LOST 3 billion dollars due to manufacturing EVs. Sounds like a solid business plan. Gov bail out coming up.

Wish GOV would bail me out when I blow it all on hookers and blow.
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There is no way they are increasing prices. This whole thing is misinterpretation of what the CFO said.
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Originally Posted by Finlander

Porsche Announces Significant Price Increase for 2024 Model

Porsche has said the price increase is required to maintain high profit margins in the face of increased costs to build EVs.

https://rennlist.com/articles/porsche-announces-significant-price-increase-for-2024-models/?utm_source=2023324&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=content
This is a RENNLIST article written by a person from this website who most likely wrote this after reading this thread.
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Originally Posted by Angryinch
Ford just LOST 3 billion dollars due to manufacturing EVs. Sounds like a solid business plan. Gov bail out coming up.

Wish GOV would bail me out when I blow it all on hookers and blow.
Youre terribly misinformed.

Ford lost $2.1 Billion on EV last year and still had an overall operating profit of $10.4 Billion. EV is like a start-up. Start ups lose money as they invest in capability, develop knowledge, build volume, and gain market share. This is basic Econ. 101a.

Note: The $3 Billion is a projected loss from EV for 2023. It's only a forecast. Not a fact as you claimed in your post.





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What was the increase for 2022 to 2023 GT3s wasn’t it 8k or something like that?
Old 03-24-2023, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jlee504
What was the increase for 2022 to 2023 GT3s wasn’t it 8k or something like that?
Yes. Porsche is not going to increase prices by 10%. We can have a bet going here.
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Originally Posted by jlee504
What was the increase for 2022 to 2023 GT3s wasn’t it 8k or something like that?
$8,600.00

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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
Agreed.

On pure performance, the GT cars are priced way too cheap.
No other car at the same price point can touch the performance of these cars.
Although I’m not personally interested, the new Z06 competes (and wins?) with more performance for less (at msrp)
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I sure hope not, with used priced dropping, paying MSRP for a brand new build (on the sub GT cars) for the same price as a used model is no longer the case.
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
Youre terribly misinformed.

Ford lost $2.1 Billion on EV last year and still had an overall operating profit of $10.4 Billion. EV is like a start-up. Start ups lose money as they invest in capability, develop knowledge, build volume, and gain market share. This is basic Econ. 101a.

Note: The $3 Billion is a projected loss from EV for 2023. It's only a forecast. Not a fact as you claimed in your post.

Damn, CNN lied to me again!
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Originally Posted by 3-Pedals
This is a RENNLIST article written by a person from this website who most likely wrote this after reading this thread.
I don't think so. There are multiple sites stating the same thing ...all quoting finance head Lutz Meschke. Seems to be true.

Finance head Lutz Meschke made the pricing announcements on a call with analysts to reassure them that Porsche can continue to build on 2022’s strong operating profits of €6.8 billion (AUD$10.95 billion) in 2022 with an 18% return on sales.

“We will see significant price increases in the middle of the year for the new model year. That will help a lot to make sure we make strong group operating margins,” Meschke said.

https://www.autodaily.com.au/porsche...es-are-coming/



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If the prices get a big bump, it will be interesting to see what they do with residuals. I think they have to be careful.
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Originally Posted by Finlander
I don't think so. There are multiple sites stating the same thing ...all quoting finance head Lutz Meschke. Seems to be true.

Finance head Lutz Meschke made the pricing announcements on a call with analysts to reassure them that Porsche can continue to build on 2022’s strong operating profits of €6.8 billion (AUD$10.95 billion) in 2022 with an 18% return on sales.

“We will see significant price increases in the middle of the year for the new model year. That will help a lot to make sure we make strong group operating margins,” Meschke said.

https://www.autodaily.com.au/porsche...es-are-coming/
I have no doubt that statement could have been better worded, but I am no wordsmith. Offering value to customers and keeping stocks markets satisfied requires a lot of finesse.

Porsche have enjoyed a great journey last 20 years:
"Wiedeking is no diplomat, and he makes no apologies. He's the kind of man who becomes indignant at the notion of filing quarterly financial reports: He refused, and as a result Porsche was dropped last year from Germany's MDAX, the stock exchange index for midsize companies".
https://www.forbes.com/global/2002/0...h=566c42f86f7c

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Originally Posted by Finlander
I don't think so. There are multiple sites stating the same thing ...all quoting finance head Lutz Meschke. Seems to be true.

Finance head Lutz Meschke made the pricing announcements on a call with analysts to reassure them that Porsche can continue to build on 2022’s strong operating profits of €6.8 billion (AUD$10.95 billion) in 2022 with an 18% return on sales.

“We will see significant price increases in the middle of the year for the new model year. That will help a lot to make sure we make strong group operating margins,” Meschke said.

https://www.autodaily.com.au/porsche...es-are-coming/
I have read the article. It looks like the price increase will most likely impact the new Cayenne thats getting a facelift. Followed by the Macan EV (basically EV version of it will cost more than ICE). I dont see Porsche raising the price of the 911 more. They have increased the prices already quite a bit. 5-6% was I believe was the increase in top trims less than 7 months ago.
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No where did they say volume is their directive. Porsche is fine with less volume and higher margins. I can see a 6-8% for increase next year.


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