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Old 10-15-2022, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris C.
Yes if you watch the YouTube dude dissects some of the lap and there are areas where the wrong gear was selected and some under steer invoked.

Still, amazing lap and more than sufficient demonstration of the car’s potential IMHO, but looks as if there was another second in there (according to dude who spends way too much time watching that track!) if beating the AMG was their goal
No ring expert but think the AMG lap is a much easier analysis. They appear to have many seconds in hand. Probably multiple seconds over just the first couple minutes of the lap.

Jorg might have missed a few tenths, headwind, etc. Engel was tiptoeing here, "damp" is an understatement.

GT division should just take their legit accomplishment as defined and come back with another couple hundred ponies. Probably don't want AMG to dust off a Black Series and put in a real one.





Old 10-15-2022, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Difference is about 11.6 seconds - new car using the new longer lap (please see GT3 RS thread above that has discussed this at length). Conditions were not optimal and 991.2 used ace, Kévin Estre.
Not sure how much contribution is from track repaving, wider tires by 10 mm both front and rear, and the custom made Pirelli P Zero Trofeo RS rubber. I doubt ITB (~ 5 horses), aero and double wishbone combined can account for more than 5 seconds
Old 10-15-2022, 02:10 PM
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The aero is greater than a CUP car, which makes the street tires more effective than race rubber on a cup car. I would would expect is has a massive impact, as you can see the improvement in Vmin in all the corners.
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The problem with the GT3 RS now is that there are so many options for e-diff, damping, etc, that proper set-up for the situation now plays a part in the outcome.

Old 10-15-2022, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ShakeNBake
The aero is greater than a CUP car, which makes the street tires more effective than race rubber on a cup car. I would would expect is has a massive impact, as you can see the improvement in Vmin in all the corners.
For sure more aero down force will increase Vmin, but won't fatter sticker rubbers also do the same? Just unsure which contributes more here. At many sharp turns, speeds were below 100 km/h, how much extra down force these new aero elements can generate at that low speed, and make a difference, one may ask.

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Old 10-15-2022, 08:02 PM
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The car was on Cup R, not Trofeo special custom made or whatever nonsense. Part of the gains are track width and track improvements but the same can be said about most modern era GT cars when each have been launched. The sum of a set of improvements, same each time.
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Originally Posted by TRZ06
The problem with the GT3 RS now is that there are so many options for e-diff, damping, etc, that proper set-up for the situation now plays a part in the outcome.
Yeah, and it is going to be different for each track too. And the setting will be even different on the same track depending on weather conditions.
Old 10-15-2022, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by signes
The car was on Cup R, not Trofeo special custom made or whatever nonsense. Part of the gains are track width and track improvements but the same can be said about most modern era GT cars when each have been launched. The sum of a set of improvements, same each time.
Alright, I realized that after posting. But is R compound (992) sticker than N2 (991.2)?
Old 10-15-2022, 09:29 PM
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Sum of parts, I don't disagree. But which earlier generational changes only added 5 horses, or less than 1%?
Old 10-15-2022, 10:05 PM
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Great job AP and the team. This is a huge accomplishment. For majority of us GT3RS owners though the car is too unpractical now. We dont get paid for lap times, but rather worry about smiles per lap. Without a frunk, 130F degree air when windows down blowing in our face, Cup car level suspension stiffness, this car is no longer “fun” anywhere but a track. I would argue it will be intolerable to drive to a track unless the owner lives right next a track.

With the ADM on this car, perhaps one would be better off paying a bit more for a Cup car if you are THAT serious about lap times?

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Old 10-15-2022, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TRZ06
The problem with the GT3 RS now is that there are so many options for e-diff, damping, etc, that proper set-up for the situation now plays a part in the outcome.
That’s a huge benefit, imo, not a problem. If you aren’t happy with the option, just leave everything in the center.
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Old 10-17-2022, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
That’s a huge benefit, imo, not a problem. If you aren’t happy with the option, just leave everything in the center.
Yea, maybe in the future we will be able to download setups for different tracks from Porsche Motorsports. Like Jorgs favorites, Top hits from Kevin Estre, Patrick Long's Playlist for the American circuits, Chris Harris does Silverstone, and of course, From Bilster Berg with Love, AP's finest settings. Could really open some doors for these guys. but in all seriousness should be fun and full adjustability without a spanner sounds good to me, had it on motorcycles for a while and really helps I just wish we could adjust the ABS but I'm sure that would run afoul with authorities
Old 10-17-2022, 06:27 PM
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The car is crazy fast. Who cares if a couple other cars are slightly faster? - that just means they're extra crazy fast. In any non-racing setting, no one needs a car faster (on track) than this RS, and for many it will be too fast.
Old 10-20-2022, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by catdog2
That's quite sad they couldn't beat the black series AMG GT; you can rationalize it any which way you like but they are a second short. Should have tried harder or added 20 more PS to get it done. That's a marketing epic fail
Consider if the black had the same engine as the AMG GT3R GTD car, 550 hp NA 6.2 Liter used in SLS black . Not the 720 Hp 4.0 twin turbo!There will be
a 992 GT2RS 725 hp!!
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Old 10-20-2022, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl911
Consider if the black had the same engine as the AMG GT3R GTD car, 550 hp NA 6.2 Liter used in SLS black . Not the 720 Hp 4.0 twin turbo!There will be
a 992 GT2RS 725 hp!!
Pretty amazing that the 4.0L motor has been made to about the same power level as that 6.2L race motor.

AMG did turn up the wick a bit for this version:

https://sportscar365.com/industry/me...or-collectors/

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