I've normally tracked GT cars with wings at the track but I'm very curious how the Touring will handle on the track. Is it more lively with no wing on high speed corners? Anything that I need to keep in mind versus the winged version? Looking to take the car out in Oct & Nov to Buttonwillow and Chuckwalla.

 

I’ve driven a friend’s 991.2 Touring on some faster tracks and it worked well (I assume the 992 will do a bit better).

 

Mine felt more confident and stable than 991.2 RS. Its amazing

 

Really? That's interesting. My 991.2 GT3RS was scary fast going above 7 tenths. The rear wasn't coming out on you on the fast sweeping turns?

 

All 911’s are stable and planted in the turns as long as you don’t lift

 

I don't think you have anything to worry about. I've had my Touring for 3 months and have already done 2 track days in most advanced groups. Laguna Seca and Thunderhill. Car is a beast with tons of mechanical grip. And has nothing close to a feeling of instability (or rear "coming out") in turns, high speed or slow. I'm no auto engineer or aero specialist, but I'll go as far to say I don't think you'd be able to notice a difference between a winged GT3 and a touring unless you were going around very fast turns. I would say at least 90mph +. Force proportional to velocity squared and all that. Remember the Touring does have a wing that rises with speed. Yes, the fixed wing (in a more aggressive setting) would likely make a difference on a high speed track like the Nurburgring, but almost none on road courses like Laguna Seca (which I prefer). And, I can say I wasn't missing a wing when I passed all the GT3s with wings when I was out there 😉 (sorry, couldn't help myself).

Only place I could find a car to car timed comparison between the two was here. Less that one second difference at Anglesey. And that could just as easily be explained by weather or weight difference or different tires vs aero. https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/anglesey-coastal

 

I’ve tracked mine. Granted I have an MR suspension on it. But it’s amazing. That said, it’s a little more, shall we say, lively at the rear end on faster corners… but manageable. There’s something intensely fun about banging in the gears off the final corner before the straight and letting the rear hang out a little and firing down the straight to the 9k redline.

Tracking, for me, is about finding my car and my own limits in a fun, safe way. I used to obsess over track times in my spec miata and even my McLaren LT, but nowadays, I just go out and have fun and see what the car will do. And it did well. I bested a 991.1 GT3 Winged car… without being full beans. So the car still does a great job.

 

I've tracked my 991.2 GT3 wing, and my 991.2 Touring on the same track several times, both manual transmissions, nearly same weight, etc. I can say that the only thing I notice is that the GT3T is a bit more "wiggly" or unstable on high speed turns, for example at our local track we see 130-135mph in T1, and I can notice a slight difference. Otherwise the cars feel pretty much identical to me in the tighter turns. I LOVE the touring for general "do it all" duties, and its awesome on track too.

 

I thought the downforce on the 992 Touring was the same as the winged car with the wing at factory standard setting. For a more aggressive wing setting there should be a difference, but I assume the cars would be nearly identical at standard spec considering what Porsche says.

 

Yes, but there is no reason to leave the wing at factory setting on the Winged 992. It has almost no downforce there and is available only to maximize fuel economy and minimize emissions.

If you leave your wing at factory setting, I agree it has no benefit compared to Touring (and only reduces your view out the rearview mirror)

 

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Not at all . . .the 992 feels great / confident everywhere. Much more so than my old 991.2 touring which got a little squirrely at times.

 

You think that the front wishbone suspension makes the 922 more stable than the 991.2?

 

No, I would say less stable (but in the best way). It's more agile and has much better bite in the front (almost never understeers). However, the steering rack is so fast in the 992 that you can easily change a lane or two if you sneeze at high speed and aren't paying close attention

 

I'd say more stable, less front dive/squat with the double wishbone, and stronger front springs (?) keeps more weight on the rear during braking, and therefore it is more stable. YMMV.