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Old 08-24-2022, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by groundhog
Everyone generally recognises a supercar when they see it, why?

(1) Art
(2) Design
(3) Materials
(4) Construction
(5) Engineering
(6) Performance
(7) Production numbers

The R35 isn't a super car in the same way a GT3 isn't - they are simply well engineered performance cars.
Here’s my take.. Supercar, Hypercar…simply terms for pinnacles, achievements, goals and even dreams.. but once you can afford them, they are simply cars…
Mooty said this earlier, but you probably didn’t/couldn’t understand….
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Old 08-25-2022, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by groundhog
Everyone generally recognises a supercar when they see it, why?

(1) Art
(2) Design
(3) Materials
(4) Construction
(5) Engineering
(6) Performance
(7) Production numbers

The R35 isn't a super car in the same way a GT3 isn't - they are simply well engineered performance cars.
This is exactly my point. If the concept is something that everyone can just see, then it's subject to the whims of people who don't know something is special because they can't see it (or don't know much at all). My concept of a supercar isn't something you just see, you have to think about it. (And it's still arbitrary, but a form of arbitrary that I find much more interesting than the alternative suggested)
If you have to think about it and if you use the list you made, you could argue that some cars are supercars that don't look like it, because they are stand outs in several of your 7 categories even if they don't score highly on all 7. And you'd be right.

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Old 08-26-2022, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RealityGT
Here’s my take.. Supercar, Hypercar…simply terms for pinnacles, achievements, goals and even dreams.. but once you can afford them, they are simply cars…
Mooty said this earlier, but you probably didn’t/couldn’t understand….
Thats exactly true, you don't think of them in those terms when you have owned or currently own - the thing I appreciate above all others with my 720S is the design, for me it just pops particularly in Mantis Green.

The reason I fulminated on and generated the "super car" attributes list (posted earlier) was because the question was raised and I had to sit down and think about it. The other point is, I don't think anyone goes out to buy a "super car". You go out and buy what you like because you can afford it and it lights your candle.
Old 08-26-2022, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by groundhog
Porsche don't really make supercars - or rather they rarely make them e.g. Carrera GT and 918.

What defines a super car
(1) Mostly carbon fibre monocoque
(2) 8 - 12 cylinders, 6 or more with hybrid propulsion system
(3) use of structural composites
(4) often highly sophisticated suspension geometry
(5) distinctive design elements
(6) price
(7) ability to customise
(8) numbers produced
(9) HP and torque

Porsche GT cars are fantastic products but they are still a mainstream product.

In my subjective view the only good looking car Porsche currently make is the 982 Spyder and the Spyder RS will be an instance classic.

Personally, I would take the Senna, 765LT, 720S, 600LT before most Porsche sports cars - they offer very unique experiences both in terms of performance and design. Again, and from a personal perspective I would take a STO or 296 GTB over any current Porsche.
I've said it before and agree with your points.
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I’ve been getting some outright silly offers for my touring lately. I’ve far from having decided to sell, but I have been looking at - if I did - what I would go into.

I find supercars being purposely ostentatious. That’s how I would define a supercar. That appeals to some, not to me.

And that’s another reason I love the touring so much.

The only car I’d exit the touring for is an RUF SCR. Surprisingly, er indoors is supportive, because she doesn’t want to see any “supercar” in the driveway.
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Senna in person is a stunner.

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Most HyperCars are ugly AF
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Originally Posted by goin2drt
Most HyperCars are ugly AF
Pure nastiness:





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Old 08-26-2022, 08:30 PM
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Outside of true p die hard or a pretty young crowd wanting the match box / race-car-on-street look, idk if RS have ever really been universally PRETTY cars. There are some exceptions but it has usually been a bit of a garish design. Throw me in the pile that likes them but I also recognize it's a boy racer look: decals, wings, colors, etc. not exactly a "classy" look. Granted this one pushed even farther but I haven't ever bought an RS because beautiful car (again to anyone other than Porsche die hard). Step out of the Porsche bubble for a second and think of other cars with decals and wings
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The holy trinity are 3 exceptional works from each of the top manufacturers.
  • I would own a 918 for reliability and ease of use.
  • P1 because code brown is real after every scare.
  • LaF because it's one of the prettiest from Modena, more so than Enzo.
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This is fun because this thread is about art. The Senna is an engineering art piece as is the new GT3 RS- they are form follows function and beautiful for that reason - the beauty is in the engineering but I would argue not the design. I think they are both kind of tortured as design. There are some designs that are just beautiful and timeless - the proportions are just so right - in the Porsche world for me those cars are '64 911, 964 (cup - rubystone), 356 speedster, 908, 1976 911 turbo (light yellow), 959 (guards red), 997 GT2, Carrera GT, 718 Spyder, 991.1 GT3 (YEESSS! - I have one!) - now I don't care if these are supercars or even the best cars but they are the best designs. Some supercars look like trash but can make a fast lap, and some beautiful designs are bad cars. Porsche over the years has made many cars that do both really well. The new GT3 RS is probably the best road-legal car Porsche has ever made in terms of lap time I'm sure it puts many "supercars" to shame. It will be collectible for that reason, and many will see it as beautiful for that reason. But it's not really a good looking car is it. If I felt I could afford an RS - any of them, I would buy one, and they all meet my definition of supercar - the best design is the 997.2 RS and that's why they are unobtanium - sort of perfect in so many ways. The 991 / 992 RS models are better aero / engineering but worse design than the GT3 non-RS models.

PS - If my 991 had a wing styled like the 997.1 GT3 the design would be perfect - yes the wings get more effective the bigger they are but they look worse - so I probably should replace the 991.1 GT3 with the 911 R, but then I like a wing.

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Originally Posted by 74goldtarga
This is fun because this thread is about art. The Senna is an engineering art piece as is the new GT3 RS- they are form follows function and beautiful for that reason - the beauty is in the engineering but I would argue not the design. I think they are both kind of tortured as design. There are some designs that are just beautiful and timeless - the proportions are just so right - in the Porsche world for me those cars are '64 911, 964 (cup - rubystone), 356 speedster, 908, 1976 911 turbo (light yellow), 959 (guards red), 997 GT2, Carrera GT, 718 Spyder, 991.1 GT3 (YEESSS! - I have one!) - now I don't care if these are supercars or even the best cars but they are the best designs. Some supercars look like trash but can make a fast lap, and some beautiful designs are bad cars. Porsche over the years has made many cars that do both really well. The new GT3 RS is probably the best road-legal car Porsche has ever made in terms of lap time I'm sure it puts many "supercars" to shame. It will be collectible for that reason, and many will see it as beautiful for that reason. But it's not really a good looking car is it. If I felt I could afford an RS - any of them, I would buy one, and they all meet my definition of supercar - the best design is the 997.2 RS and that's why they are unobtanium - sort of perfect in so many ways. The 991 / 992 RS models are better aero / engineering but worse design than the GT3 non-RS models.

PS - If my 991 had a wing styled like the 997.1 GT3 the design would be perfect - yes the wings get more effective the bigger they are but they look worse - so I probably should replace the 991.1 GT3 with the 911 R, but then I like a wing.
Looks are totally subjective but I tend to agree with most of the lookers on your list, plus or minus a couple of tweaks. I would swap 718 for 981 spyder, gt2 ain't my fav 997 (but something 997 GT would make my list) and I just never got the 959 thing, visually or driving experience. However, I understand it is a seriously significant car for Porsche. The pair I ended up keeping are on here so I'm influenced by looks as well as drive, but I also let go of 3-4 on that list and miss seeing them as much/more than driving them

550 spyder?
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Ugly supercars/hypercars...

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