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ADM is only a thing if you accept it, and times I waited a year and had no problem with that. I’ve never purchased anything soccer mom cars from Porsche and zero ADM and some of cars were traded to McLaren and Ferrari. I’m not a big Porsche guy, but my dealer is fair.
If I have to wait fine with me and I just try another brand. It a car not that serious lots of them out there no need to beg to spend your money and complain.
The car was sold. I visited the dealer today and it was being prepped at the service area with a sold tag on it.
I remember when the markup for GT3s at this dealer were 50k and it seems like every other week they increase it. They keep selling GT3s and Turbo S with large markup, so in their eyes, why lower it?
yesterday my 992 Touring arrived.
MSRP from the first pricelist and -3% discount (somehow they liked me )
the quarterly pricelist increasing are already at total +10k€ at a 992 GT3
the same day i bought a 996 GT3 RS for 150k€
took it to the track straight with dealer plates (IG: @binarythrottlecommander - first story highlights: "20-22" )
porsche life can be better with good deals. and within EU.
but the cars are producing also the same fun. doesn´t matter if 100k more or not.
based on the ECB messing around... to pay +30% and getting a car now instead of 2024 seems for example not that crazy.
yesterday my 992 Touring arrived.
MSRP from the first pricelist and -3% discount (somehow they liked me )
the quarterly pricelist increasing are already at total +10k€ at a 992 GT3
the same day i bought a 996 GT3 RS for 150k€
took it to the track straight with dealer plates (IG: @binarythrottlecommander - first story highlights: "20-22" )
porsche life can be better with good deals. and within EU.
but the cars are producing also the same fun. doesn´t matter if 100k more or not.
based on the ECB messing around... to pay +30% and getting a car now instead of 2024 seems for example not that crazy.
I was under the impression that in Europe ADM's by dealers are illegal.
Also, if someone owns an older model GT3 why pay above MSRP now?
Is this for reals?! Europeans get their 992 GT3 for msrp?!
in some places, adm is forbidden by law. In those jurisdictions, they follow the Ferrari model of adm. you have to buy other vehicles first.
look, when demand vastly exceeds supply, then there simply aren’t enough cars to go around and the dealer has to choose losers. In some places, it’s a bid system. In some places, it’s a require purchase history.
in some places, adm is forbidden by law. In those jurisdictions, they follow the Ferrari model of adm. you have to buy other vehicles first.
look, when demand vastly exceeds supply, then there simply aren’t enough cars to go around and the dealer has to choose losers. In some places, it’s a bid system. In some places, it’s a require purchase history.
it is incorrect to assume that the GT3 sells at MSRP in Europe because demand is lower - it isn't. It's a different approach and culture. Generally a dealer trying tobput on an ADM is told to go F himself. In my experience Europeans and Americans view sports car and exotic car ownership differently. Europeans generally seems less occupied with getting the latest and greatest first, and the cars are not treated as status symbols the same way. As,an example, this is why the high mileage exotics tends to be found in Europe vs. the States. ADM's are not common because,people are not willing to "fight" each other for a car like the GT3 or a normal Ferrari. If everyone tells the dealer to sit on it if they demand an ADM, then it cannot sustain itself. And no, it is not done by the US Ferrari model either. This goes for both Porsche and Ferrari. Yes a dealer will of course,offer allocations to loyal clients first, but if they have an open allocation they will not ask you to buy another Porsche to get it. In the same way a,Ferrari dealer will not ask you to get a,Roma to get a 296 GTS. Here first time buyers got Pistas and Speciales, just like a first timer could get a GT3RS.
Just cultural differences, and while it might not be popular to say, the US Porsche clients are as,much a part of the ADM game as the dealers are.
As for it not being legal to charge ADM in Europe? I don't know of any countries in western Europe that prohibits this.
it is incorrect to assume that the GT3 sells at MSRP in Europe because demand is lower - it isn't. It's a different approach and culture. Generally a dealer trying tobput on an ADM is told to go F himself. In my experience Europeans and Americans view sports car and exotic car ownership differently. Europeans generally seems less occupied with getting the latest and greatest first, and the cars are not treated as status symbols the same way. As,an example, this is why the high mileage exotics tends to be found in Europe vs. the States. ADM's are not common because,people are not willing to "fight" each other for a car like the GT3 or a normal Ferrari. If everyone tells the dealer to sit on it if they demand an ADM, then it cannot sustain itself. And no, it is not done by the US Ferrari model either. This goes for both Porsche and Ferrari. Yes a dealer will of course,offer allocations to loyal clients first, but if they have an open allocation they will not ask you to buy another Porsche to get it. In the same way a,Ferrari dealer will not ask you to get a,Roma to get a 296 GTS. Here first time buyers got Pistas and Speciales, just like a first timer could get a GT3RS.
Just cultural differences, and while it might not be popular to say, the US Porsche clients are as,much a part of the ADM game as the dealers are.
As for it not being legal to charge ADM in Europe? I don't know of any countries in western Europe that prohibits this.
I believe in Germany that it is illegal to charge anything other than the sticker price, both lower or higher.
However, there are ways around it. The easiest is to simply where a dealer (buys) and then registers a car, and then de-registers it, making it a "used" car -- which then allows for all sort of freewheeling and bargaining galore, both up and down.
it is incorrect to assume that the GT3 sells at MSRP in Europe because demand is lower - it isn't. It's a different approach and culture. Generally a dealer trying tobput on an ADM is told to go F himself. In my experience Europeans and Americans view sports car and exotic car ownership differently. Europeans generally seems less occupied with getting the latest and greatest first, and the cars are not treated as status symbols the same way. As,an example, this is why the high mileage exotics tends to be found in Europe vs. the States. ADM's are not common because,people are not willing to "fight" each other for a car like the GT3 or a normal Ferrari. If everyone tells the dealer to sit on it if they demand an ADM, then it cannot sustain itself. And no, it is not done by the US Ferrari model either. This goes for both Porsche and Ferrari. Yes a dealer will of course,offer allocations to loyal clients first, but if they have an open allocation they will not ask you to buy another Porsche to get it. In the same way a,Ferrari dealer will not ask you to get a,Roma to get a 296 GTS. Here first time buyers got Pistas and Speciales, just like a first timer could get a GT3RS.
Just cultural differences, and while it might not be popular to say, the US Porsche clients are as,much a part of the ADM game as the dealers are.
As for it not being legal to charge ADM in Europe? I don't know of any countries in western Europe that prohibits this.
That's because many Americans are impulsive show-offs who always want to be first to have the new shiny toy and too many buyers treat GT cars as if they are collector cars and don't drive them. It's sad really.
04-25-2022, 03:03 PM
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