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A broken record in here. He said with 1963 cars, the S/T won't be hard to get for those that want it, not implying paying an insane ADM to get one. Because anyone in the world can have any car in the world if they "stroke a big check" (have you trademarked that phrase yet?).
His implication was clear, 1,963 cars is a lot of cars, not hard to get one. And that's false.
His implication was clear, 1,963 cars is a lot of cars, not hard to get one. And that's false.
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You know what I meant when I said the lists run deep on this car. The lists don't mean sh*t, it's a sign of the demand for the car. Stores are getting 1 or 2. The lists are irrelevant. The demand is not. That was the point I was making in response to this guy thinking anyone who wants an S/T can get one, which is hilarious.
Stores will get 0-2 allocations outside the 918 program. Some will auction them off for adm. others will go to the top vip who is spending 7 figures annually. Well assuming the dealer principle even offers it to customers at all.
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I wish it were that simple.
They're making a lot more 3RSs which isn't a numbered car and some of those are currently selling for $200k over. (I was told Porsche Naples just sold one for that much)
The whispered number from dealers is $250k over (give or take a penny) gets you an ST allocation walking off the street, some dealers want more. It will come down, this stuff always gets crazy at the front end, but notwithstanding what I or anyone else in this thread thinks of the car, serious collectors and FU moneybag guys look at the ST as the last R and they're all in on it because many think that in time it will be as or even be more collectible than the R. It doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, it does matter that they are willing to pay amounts commensurate to their opinions.
So yeah, the production numbers might make it seem like it shouldn't be a bigger deal than the 991 Speedster which was trading at around $100k over at launch, but the want for this appears to be a lot greater, and 2019 in terms of market conditions might as well be a century away.
They're making a lot more 3RSs which isn't a numbered car and some of those are currently selling for $200k over. (I was told Porsche Naples just sold one for that much)
The whispered number from dealers is $250k over (give or take a penny) gets you an ST allocation walking off the street, some dealers want more. It will come down, this stuff always gets crazy at the front end, but notwithstanding what I or anyone else in this thread thinks of the car, serious collectors and FU moneybag guys look at the ST as the last R and they're all in on it because many think that in time it will be as or even be more collectible than the R. It doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, it does matter that they are willing to pay amounts commensurate to their opinions.
So yeah, the production numbers might make it seem like it shouldn't be a bigger deal than the 991 Speedster which was trading at around $100k over at launch, but the want for this appears to be a lot greater, and 2019 in terms of market conditions might as well be a century away.
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I myself wouldn't take the car at MSRP, I really wouldn't. I think the car is overpriced at MSRP and I'm not confident that it can be flipped for a profit.
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I for one am happy they built it. The car looks like a lot of fun and I hope that I get to drive one.
I for one am happy they built it. The car looks like a lot of fun and I hope that I get to drive one.
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Only because the word ‘on the street’ is that there is more than sufficient demand at $200-300k ADM. If the actual demand becomes known to be just 1963 cars at MSRP, then the lines for $100k ADM would be nonexistent. We’re still in the ‘scarcity manufacture’ stage of the dealers’ psyop.
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Only because the word ‘on the street’ is that there is more than sufficient demand at $200-300k ADM. If the actual demand becomes known to be just 1963 cars at MSRP, then the lines for $100k ADM would be nonexistent. We’re still in the ‘scarcity manufacture’ stage of the dealers’ psyop.
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I never said it was a 'tough' challenge. actually to Porsche, nothing is really tough if they really want to do something. Which is exactly the surprisingly disappointing spec of the S/T, there really isn't anything special with what went into the car. That engine WILL fit the engine bay, cause another variant already has it. The suspension bits WILL all bolt on correctly as they all came from another 911. The clutch and flywheel WILL fit as they are also from series production parts. Like, where is the 'surprise' accomplishment for the S/T?
They gave us NEW front suspension for the GT3. The GT3RS has NEW aggressive aero, active wing even, not to mention a different tune of the engine. And the S/T gets........bespoke door panels? Really? That's it? Where is the rest of the meal? And they want how much again for the car? How about a new shift **** for that price? Nein. Steering wheel? Nein. Bespoke interior treatment like the Exclusive? Nein, but you can however have the Heritage interior which is already on a few other models.
BTW, that reversed gearbox has been running for like 6 years now, the durability has all been sorted, that's called development.
They gave us NEW front suspension for the GT3. The GT3RS has NEW aggressive aero, active wing even, not to mention a different tune of the engine. And the S/T gets........bespoke door panels? Really? That's it? Where is the rest of the meal? And they want how much again for the car? How about a new shift **** for that price? Nein. Steering wheel? Nein. Bespoke interior treatment like the Exclusive? Nein, but you can however have the Heritage interior which is already on a few other models.
BTW, that reversed gearbox has been running for like 6 years now, the durability has all been sorted, that's called development.
Let's face it. Porsche's job as a company is to do as little as possible to make as much money as possible with its models. With that in mind, Porsche did "enough" engineering on both S/T and 4RS, as measured by the lines of people waiting to hand over their money
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Yup, these "discussions" are beyond 1st world problems...more like top 1% world problems. All of us here on RL are very lucky to be the position that we are in. Even though all of the cars that I own are Porsches I'm not a fanboy because I find flaws in every Porsche that I own and have owned. The best and least dramatic discussions on RL have and continue to be in the 997 GT3 section.
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Truth be told, most people can't last 30 minutes per track session.
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Having recently bought a McLaren, I joined the McLaren forum, and it's pretty quiet over there, almost a ghost town compared to RL. I wonder what Ferrari and Lambo forums are like - or maybe I don't want to know.
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I'm not going to argue that Porsche did everything they could with respect to engineering effort on the S/T. They certainly could have done more. But I feel like they left a bunch of potential improvements on the table for the 4RS also (particularly in the realm of suspension and wheel width/track).
Let's face it. Porsche's job as a company is to do as little as possible to make as much money as possible with its models. With that in mind, Porsche did "enough" engineering on both S/T and 4RS, as measured by the lines of people waiting to hand over their money
Let's face it. Porsche's job as a company is to do as little as possible to make as much money as possible with its models. With that in mind, Porsche did "enough" engineering on both S/T and 4RS, as measured by the lines of people waiting to hand over their money