Originally Posted by PTS

O.M.G. that's so cool he knew about the 4RS before most people! And he has a 918??

Swing off those nuts dude.

You thrive off painting yourself as a contrarian in here. It's comical. So is the fact that if you were offered the S/T at MSRP you would be singing it's praises in here. You're fooling no one.

Scroll back a few pages, he said Dakar > 918. I haven't read a word he's said since.

Originally Posted by PTS

A broken record in here. He said with 1963 cars, the S/T won't be hard to get for those that want it, not implying paying an insane ADM to get one. Because anyone in the world can have any car in the world if they "stroke a big check" (have you trademarked that phrase yet?).

His implication was clear, 1,963 cars is a lot of cars, not hard to get one. And that's false.

Originally Posted by 993RR

Let's face it, if I offered an ST allocation for $100k, there would be a mile long queue, ditto for $150k.... people voting with their feet & cheque books.

Originally Posted by PTS

You know what I meant when I said the lists run deep on this car. The lists don't mean sh*t, it's a sign of the demand for the car. Stores are getting 1 or 2. The lists are irrelevant. The demand is not. That was the point I was making in response to this guy thinking anyone who wants an S/T can get one, which is hilarious.

Originally Posted by soulsea

I wish it were that simple.

They're making a lot more 3RSs which isn't a numbered car and some of those are currently selling for $200k over. (I was told Porsche Naples just sold one for that much)

The whispered number from dealers is $250k over (give or take a penny) gets you an ST allocation walking off the street, some dealers want more. It will come down, this stuff always gets crazy at the front end, but notwithstanding what I or anyone else in this thread thinks of the car, serious collectors and FU moneybag guys look at the ST as the last R and they're all in on it because many think that in time it will be as or even be more collectible than the R. It doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, it does matter that they are willing to pay amounts commensurate to their opinions.

So yeah, the production numbers might make it seem like it shouldn't be a bigger deal than the 991 Speedster which was trading at around $100k over at launch, but the want for this appears to be a lot greater, and 2019 in terms of market conditions might as well be a century away.

Originally Posted by 993RR

Let's face it, if I offered an ST allocation for $100k, there would be a mile long queue, ditto for $150k.... people voting with their feet & cheque books.

Originally Posted by 993RR

Let's face it, if I offered an ST allocation for $100k, there would be a mile long queue, ditto for $150k.... people voting with their feet & cheque books.

Originally Posted by vcp13

The world weeps at the sight of intra-911-OnePercenter-Tribe violence on rennlist

Originally Posted by hf1

Only because the word ‘on the street’ is that there is more than sufficient demand at $200-300k ADM. If the actual demand becomes known to be just 1963 cars at MSRP, then the lines for $100k ADM would be nonexistent. We’re still in the ‘scarcity manufacture’ stage of the dealers’ psyop.

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3

If not for that RL would be a very boring place.

Originally Posted by Whoopsy

I never said it was a 'tough' challenge. actually to Porsche, nothing is really tough if they really want to do something. Which is exactly the surprisingly disappointing spec of the S/T, there really isn't anything special with what went into the car. That engine WILL fit the engine bay, cause another variant already has it. The suspension bits WILL all bolt on correctly as they all came from another 911. The clutch and flywheel WILL fit as they are also from series production parts. Like, where is the 'surprise' accomplishment for the S/T?

They gave us NEW front suspension for the GT3. The GT3RS has NEW aggressive aero, active wing even, not to mention a different tune of the engine. And the S/T gets........bespoke door panels? Really? That's it? Where is the rest of the meal? And they want how much again for the car? How about a new shift **** for that price? Nein. Steering wheel? Nein. Bespoke interior treatment like the Exclusive? Nein, but you can however have the Heritage interior which is already on a few other models.



BTW, that reversed gearbox has been running for like 6 years now, the durability has all been sorted, that's called development.

Originally Posted by supershaft

Personally I think this is hilarious. People dying all over the world in some of the worst ways then seeing these arguments make me giggle. Like whose minds are you going to change here?

Originally Posted by Drifting

Am I wrong in my recall that there are very few cars with a supercharger that Don’t overheat on the track? I had a few tracks friends with supercharged mustangs, and none of them could do a 30 min track session.