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10-27-2021, 12:56 PM
#16
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Great post above @ Esoteric_Detail. I am a massive detailing nerd (have spent way too much money on my garage) and everything stated above is exactly my experience over the last decade with PPF, coatings, and upkeep.
Great post above @ Esoteric_Detail. I am a massive detailing nerd (have spent way too much money on my garage) and everything stated above is exactly my experience over the last decade with PPF, coatings, and upkeep.
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Esoteric_Detail (10-27-2021)
10-27-2021, 01:04 PM
#17
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Here is what I would do. I'll not leave exposed paint and just cover it with liquid. For anyone that say Ceramic coating only. Please don't.
PPF>Ceramic coating.
Having ceramic coating on top of the ppf is nice because it helps making it easy to clean & maintain.
I haven't ceramic coated my PPF yet because I plan on wrapping it in a different color (Probably this week). If it's ceramic coated, it will give me hard time for the wrap to stick.
I keep the car clean, wash multiple times a week. The peace of mind knowing I have a protected paint is AWESOME
Quick reply, sorry I'm driving.
PPF>Ceramic coating.
Having ceramic coating on top of the ppf is nice because it helps making it easy to clean & maintain.
I haven't ceramic coated my PPF yet because I plan on wrapping it in a different color (Probably this week). If it's ceramic coated, it will give me hard time for the wrap to stick.
I keep the car clean, wash multiple times a week. The peace of mind knowing I have a protected paint is AWESOME
Quick reply, sorry I'm driving.
10-27-2021, 01:21 PM
#18
I don't think anyone is suggesting ceramic coating in lieu of PPF. If you're not PPF'ing your car, you need a coating as some form of protection. If you have PPF, coating is less important for protection but still has many positives. It's a nightmare to detail a car with no hydrophobic properties on the surface. You end up adding imperfections to the paint/PPF without a coating given you need more contact with the paint/film to remove contaminates/soap/water. On my properly coated cars, 99% of the detail/wash is completed without touching the paint with a towel, only a microfiber wash mitt makes contact with the paint, post foam cannon. I then apply a dual towel drying aid wipe down. This helps keep paint/PPF swirl free.
Ceramic coating is always a good idea, unless you're in the extremely rare position of the guy above me...having plans to wrap a car with something other than PPF (which almost no one in here will do)
Ceramic coating is always a good idea, unless you're in the extremely rare position of the guy above me...having plans to wrap a car with something other than PPF (which almost no one in here will do)
10-27-2021, 05:00 PM
#19
I don't think anyone is suggesting ceramic coating in lieu of PPF. If you're not PPF'ing your car, you need a coating as some form of protection. If you have PPF, coating is less important for protection but still has many positives. It's a nightmare to detail a car with no hydrophobic properties on the surface. You end up adding imperfections to the paint/PPF without a coating given you need more contact with the paint/film to remove contaminates/soap/water. On my properly coated cars, 99% of the detail/wash is completed without touching the paint with a towel, only a microfiber wash mitt makes contact with the paint, post foam cannon. I then apply a dual towel drying aid wipe down. This helps keep paint/PPF swirl free.
Ceramic coating is always a good idea, unless you're in the extremely rare position of the guy above me...having plans to wrap a car with something other than PPF (which almost no one in here will do)
Ceramic coating is always a good idea, unless you're in the extremely rare position of the guy above me...having plans to wrap a car with something other than PPF (which almost no one in here will do)
10-27-2021, 05:02 PM
#20
10-27-2021, 05:47 PM
#21
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don’t scrub. There are products that can help separate it from ceramic coating. The rubber itself should not adhere very strongly to the ceramic coating. Kinda the point. Ask your detailer what they recommend.
10-27-2021, 06:08 PM
#22
I don't think anyone is suggesting ceramic coating in lieu of PPF. If you're not PPF'ing your car, you need a coating as some form of protection. If you have PPF, coating is less important for protection but still has many positives. It's a nightmare to detail a car with no hydrophobic properties on the surface. You end up adding imperfections to the paint/PPF without a coating given you need more contact with the paint/film to remove contaminates/soap/water. On my properly coated cars, 99% of the detail/wash is completed without touching the paint with a towel, only a microfiber wash mitt makes contact with the paint, post foam cannon. I then apply a dual towel drying aid wipe down. This helps keep paint/PPF swirl free.
Ceramic coating is always a good idea, unless you're in the extremely rare position of the guy above me...having plans to wrap a car with something other than PPF (which almost no one in here will do)
Ceramic coating is always a good idea, unless you're in the extremely rare position of the guy above me...having plans to wrap a car with something other than PPF (which almost no one in here will do)
Also if you haven't used a DI system, that's a game changer. Air dry the car! Has saved me so much time over the past few years. Bignoi came last year which I primarily use to blow out seams, jams, wheels and sometimes the paint if I feel like having fun.
Last edited by SToronto; 10-27-2021 at 06:14 PM.
10-27-2021, 06:09 PM
#23
10-27-2021, 06:13 PM
#24
If curious about longevity. I have a 997.2 that was coated with OptiCoat (cheaper one of the two detailer ones) back in 2012. Car is only used around 3k a year and stored inside all year round. I have maintained the coating off and on over the years using CarPro Reload, a silica based coating spray. Water still sheets nicely and the gloss is great.
10-27-2021, 06:17 PM
#25
Forget towels. You need a Big Boi. No contact!
Also if you haven't used a DI system, that's a game changer. Air dry the car! Has saved me so much time over the past few years. Big Boi came last year which I primarily use to blow out seams, jams, wheels and sometimes the paint if I feel like having fun.
Also if you haven't used a DI system, that's a game changer. Air dry the car! Has saved me so much time over the past few years. Big Boi came last year which I primarily use to blow out seams, jams, wheels and sometimes the paint if I feel like having fun.
My setup is a Kranzle KT1322TS pressure washer with auto start/stop, fed through a CR Spotless Dionization system, fed into a mosmatic wand setup off of a wall mounted *** hose reel. I'm deep in the weeds LOL
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10-27-2021, 06:23 PM
#26
Yes a proper ceramic coating should absolutely help with removing rubber from PPF
10-27-2021, 06:24 PM
#27
I have dual 6hp air blowers setup for air drying the car, I don't use towels to dry. After you air dry the car, you can apply a drying aid (like below) and wipe with specific microfibers designed for this step.
My setup is a Kranzle KT1322TS pressure washer with auto start/stop, fed through a CR Spotless Dionization system, fed into a mosmatic wand setup off of a wall mounted *** hose reel. I'm deep in the weeds LOL
https://www.obsessedgarage.com/produ...EaAhkPEALw_wcB
My setup is a Kranzle KT1322TS pressure washer with auto start/stop, fed through a CR Spotless Dionization system, fed into a mosmatic wand setup off of a wall mounted *** hose reel. I'm deep in the weeds LOL
https://www.obsessedgarage.com/produ...EaAhkPEALw_wcB
Kranzle was a game changer too, it's been great, think I've had it for 4 years now. Quality stuff. Mosmatic wand too.
I'd love to perma plumb everything in, would make washing less of a chore due to no set up and tear down of equipment. Was thinking about doing that this year, but we might move. So don't want to bother as I'll have to rejig some water piping and electrical.
OG is great, some stuff a little over the top. But interesting nonetheless.
10-27-2021, 06:26 PM
#28
Ah, missed that I guess. I use CarPro Reload after drying or while slightly damp with microfibre.
Kranzle was a game changer too, it's been great, think I've had it for 4 years now. Quality stuff. Mosmatic wand too.
I'd love to perma plumb everything in, would make washing less of a chore due to no set up and tear down of equipment. Was thinking about doing that this year, but we might move. So don't want to bother as I'll have to rejig some water piping and electrical.
OG is great, some stuff a little over the top. But interesting nonetheless.
Kranzle was a game changer too, it's been great, think I've had it for 4 years now. Quality stuff. Mosmatic wand too.
I'd love to perma plumb everything in, would make washing less of a chore due to no set up and tear down of equipment. Was thinking about doing that this year, but we might move. So don't want to bother as I'll have to rejig some water piping and electrical.
OG is great, some stuff a little over the top. But interesting nonetheless.
10-27-2021, 06:34 PM
#29
I've always had an interest in car detailing, since my early teens and then more so when I had my own car. I have less time for this with 2 young kids now, but enjoy it when I can.
The one thing I find about detailing products, is there is a ton of marketing and a crapload of brands and products. It's like protein powders....maybe worse.