992 GT3RS
#7426
AP implied that anything > the 4.0 is in conflict with emissions standards. 4.2 and 570 hp on a race engine, rebuilt every few races, ok. For street, they can't make it happen.
Whether that's true, or they just don't want to invest the necessary development resources, who knows
Whether that's true, or they just don't want to invest the necessary development resources, who knows
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Manifold (01-15-2023)
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re: FI engines vs NA engines, engine displacement etc
turbo engines have a non linear relationship to MPG - this allows for more electrical greenwashing from the ecu at normal speeds. off boost, they don't use a lot of fuel. they're much more programmable to pass EPA/CARB/ EURO5/6/7 standards which generally don't involve huge acceleration or crazy high speeds.
a smaller turbo engine running in eco mode is not the same as that same engine in corsa mode under full load. the 296 and ford gt get atrocious MPG when pushed to max output. but coast along in 7th gear at 75mph at low revs.
GT3/3RS has a much more linear relationship and they don't feature a lot of MPG tricks like cylinder deactivation (which works really well on pedestrian v8 suvs) - the "decent highway miles" on a GT3 are from super tall gears and super high compression. being pie in the sky about a 4.25/4.5 type engine in a GT3 is fun- but we are in a "no free lunches" zone. m
price goes way up while HP goes up slightly. EPA pressure goes way up if fuel efficiency ticks up slightly. same for weight loss or active aero stuff. diminishing returns and porsche is a for profit company.
two big things keeping us happy and driving NA GT cars:
electric macan raises fleet MPG average
porsche developing synthetic fuels
turbo engines have a non linear relationship to MPG - this allows for more electrical greenwashing from the ecu at normal speeds. off boost, they don't use a lot of fuel. they're much more programmable to pass EPA/CARB/ EURO5/6/7 standards which generally don't involve huge acceleration or crazy high speeds.
a smaller turbo engine running in eco mode is not the same as that same engine in corsa mode under full load. the 296 and ford gt get atrocious MPG when pushed to max output. but coast along in 7th gear at 75mph at low revs.
GT3/3RS has a much more linear relationship and they don't feature a lot of MPG tricks like cylinder deactivation (which works really well on pedestrian v8 suvs) - the "decent highway miles" on a GT3 are from super tall gears and super high compression. being pie in the sky about a 4.25/4.5 type engine in a GT3 is fun- but we are in a "no free lunches" zone. m
price goes way up while HP goes up slightly. EPA pressure goes way up if fuel efficiency ticks up slightly. same for weight loss or active aero stuff. diminishing returns and porsche is a for profit company.
two big things keeping us happy and driving NA GT cars:
electric macan raises fleet MPG average
porsche developing synthetic fuels
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#7429
#7430
Only place Porsche falls short in turbo space is redline. Never understood why they capped GT2 RS redline at 7,200 when Ferrari running 8,500. Left so much power on the table, not to mention character.
296 is a very impressive car and far more engaging than any Fiat I’ve driven to date. Best sound from a road-legal turbo engine ever. Hybrid is more novelty than anything else but fun to play with around town. Me, I’d skip the hybrid and save the 100kg, but car companies today feel the need to stroke the woke.
No reason Porsche couldn’t get to 800hp on next GT2 RS if they get the redline to 8,500. Heck, they could just slap on bigger turbos and intercoolers and hit those numbers. Either way, the car would be insane combined with 992 RS aero. Going to make for staggering offs.
As for 3RS being underpowered, meh. This car is closer to a Cup car than any GT3 to date, and having owned multiple Cups, that’s plenty for me. Go back and watch Bergmeister fling the car around Silverstone and The Ring and tell me you seriously think you need more power. The only thing we all need is more coaching and track time.
296 is a very impressive car and far more engaging than any Fiat I’ve driven to date. Best sound from a road-legal turbo engine ever. Hybrid is more novelty than anything else but fun to play with around town. Me, I’d skip the hybrid and save the 100kg, but car companies today feel the need to stroke the woke.
No reason Porsche couldn’t get to 800hp on next GT2 RS if they get the redline to 8,500. Heck, they could just slap on bigger turbos and intercoolers and hit those numbers. Either way, the car would be insane combined with 992 RS aero. Going to make for staggering offs.
As for 3RS being underpowered, meh. This car is closer to a Cup car than any GT3 to date, and having owned multiple Cups, that’s plenty for me. Go back and watch Bergmeister fling the car around Silverstone and The Ring and tell me you seriously think you need more power. The only thing we all need is more coaching and track time.
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Only place Porsche falls short in turbo space is redline. Never understood why they capped GT2 RS redline at 7,200 when Ferrari running 8,500. Left so much power on the table, not to mention character.
296 is a very impressive car and far more engaging than any Fiat I’ve driven to date. Best sound from a road-legal turbo engine ever. Hybrid is more novelty than anything else but fun to play with around town. Me, I’d skip the hybrid and save the 100kg, but car companies today feel the need to stroke the woke.
No reason Porsche couldn’t get to 800hp on next GT2 RS if they get the redline to 8,500. Heck, they could just slap on bigger turbos and intercoolers and hit those numbers. Either way, the car would be staggering combined with 992 RS aero. Going to make for staggering offs.
As for 3RS being underpowered, meh. This car is closer to a Cup car than any GT3 to date, and having owned multiple Cups, that’s plenty for me. Go back and watch Bergmeister fling the car around Silverstone and The Ring and tell me you seriously think you need more power. The only thing we all need is more coaching and track time.
296 is a very impressive car and far more engaging than any Fiat I’ve driven to date. Best sound from a road-legal turbo engine ever. Hybrid is more novelty than anything else but fun to play with around town. Me, I’d skip the hybrid and save the 100kg, but car companies today feel the need to stroke the woke.
No reason Porsche couldn’t get to 800hp on next GT2 RS if they get the redline to 8,500. Heck, they could just slap on bigger turbos and intercoolers and hit those numbers. Either way, the car would be staggering combined with 992 RS aero. Going to make for staggering offs.
As for 3RS being underpowered, meh. This car is closer to a Cup car than any GT3 to date, and having owned multiple Cups, that’s plenty for me. Go back and watch Bergmeister fling the car around Silverstone and The Ring and tell me you seriously think you need more power. The only thing we all need is more coaching and track time.
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#7432
re: FI engines vs NA engines, engine displacement etc
turbo engines have a non linear relationship to MPG - this allows for more electrical greenwashing from the ecu at normal speeds. off boost, they don't use a lot of fuel. they're much more programmable to pass EPA/CARB/ EURO5/6/7 standards which generally don't involve huge acceleration or crazy high speeds.
a smaller turbo engine running in eco mode is not the same as that same engine in corsa mode under full load. the 296 and ford gt get atrocious MPG when pushed to max output. but coast along in 7th gear at 75mph at low revs.
GT3/3RS has a much more linear relationship and they don't feature a lot of MPG tricks like cylinder deactivation (which works really well on pedestrian v8 suvs) - the "decent highway miles" on a GT3 are from super tall gears and super high compression. being pie in the sky about a 4.25/4.5 type engine in a GT3 is fun- but we are in a "no free lunches" zone. m
price goes way up while HP goes up slightly. EPA pressure goes way up if fuel efficiency ticks up slightly. same for weight loss or active aero stuff. diminishing returns and porsche is a for profit company.
two big things keeping us happy and driving NA GT cars:
electric macan raises fleet MPG average
porsche developing synthetic fuels
turbo engines have a non linear relationship to MPG - this allows for more electrical greenwashing from the ecu at normal speeds. off boost, they don't use a lot of fuel. they're much more programmable to pass EPA/CARB/ EURO5/6/7 standards which generally don't involve huge acceleration or crazy high speeds.
a smaller turbo engine running in eco mode is not the same as that same engine in corsa mode under full load. the 296 and ford gt get atrocious MPG when pushed to max output. but coast along in 7th gear at 75mph at low revs.
GT3/3RS has a much more linear relationship and they don't feature a lot of MPG tricks like cylinder deactivation (which works really well on pedestrian v8 suvs) - the "decent highway miles" on a GT3 are from super tall gears and super high compression. being pie in the sky about a 4.25/4.5 type engine in a GT3 is fun- but we are in a "no free lunches" zone. m
price goes way up while HP goes up slightly. EPA pressure goes way up if fuel efficiency ticks up slightly. same for weight loss or active aero stuff. diminishing returns and porsche is a for profit company.
two big things keeping us happy and driving NA GT cars:
electric macan raises fleet MPG average
porsche developing synthetic fuels
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rosenbergendo (01-15-2023)
#7433
you sir. own the 3rd customer car worldwide which i know (and i‘m 100% sure).
1) monaco GER plates
2) GER guy who already removed the rear „blanket insulators“ around the cage 😍
3) Dante above. congrats again!! and thank you for some „real meat“ within this thread. pls keep it incoming 🙏🏻🥳
all three are „white“/red
1) monaco GER plates
2) GER guy who already removed the rear „blanket insulators“ around the cage 😍
3) Dante above. congrats again!! and thank you for some „real meat“ within this thread. pls keep it incoming 🙏🏻🥳
all three are „white“/red
many thanks, very kind of you...I will post my driving impressions
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#7434
you sir. own the 3rd customer car worldwide which i know (and i‘m 100% sure).
1) monaco GER plates
2) GER guy who already removed the rear „blanket insulators“ around the cage 😍
3) Dante above. congrats again!! and thank you for some „real meat“ within this thread. pls keep it incoming 🙏🏻🥳
all three are „white“/red
1) monaco GER plates
2) GER guy who already removed the rear „blanket insulators“ around the cage 😍
3) Dante above. congrats again!! and thank you for some „real meat“ within this thread. pls keep it incoming 🙏🏻🥳
all three are „white“/red
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#7436
It was often seen on 997 RSs at Francorchamps/Nordschleife. Very cup-car like.
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#7439
Plus im sure the 992 will net him a profit. Whereas the 991.2 with 50-60k miles wont. Chris Harris the flipper???
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