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Old 01-15-2023 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Why can’t Porsche put a 4.4 in this thing? Will it really not fit?
AP implied that anything > the 4.0 is in conflict with emissions standards. 4.2 and 570 hp on a race engine, rebuilt every few races, ok. For street, they can't make it happen.

Whether that's true, or they just don't want to invest the necessary development resources, who knows
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Old 01-15-2023 | 01:14 PM
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re: FI engines vs NA engines, engine displacement etc

turbo engines have a non linear relationship to MPG - this allows for more electrical greenwashing from the ecu at normal speeds. off boost, they don't use a lot of fuel. they're much more programmable to pass EPA/CARB/ EURO5/6/7 standards which generally don't involve huge acceleration or crazy high speeds.

a smaller turbo engine running in eco mode is not the same as that same engine in corsa mode under full load. the 296 and ford gt get atrocious MPG when pushed to max output. but coast along in 7th gear at 75mph at low revs.

GT3/3RS has a much more linear relationship and they don't feature a lot of MPG tricks like cylinder deactivation (which works really well on pedestrian v8 suvs) - the "decent highway miles" on a GT3 are from super tall gears and super high compression. being pie in the sky about a 4.25/4.5 type engine in a GT3 is fun- but we are in a "no free lunches" zone. m

price goes way up while HP goes up slightly. EPA pressure goes way up if fuel efficiency ticks up slightly. same for weight loss or active aero stuff. diminishing returns and porsche is a for profit company.

two big things keeping us happy and driving NA GT cars:

electric macan raises fleet MPG average

porsche developing synthetic fuels
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Old 01-15-2023 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sausage416
nice, how much for the cxx stripes?
The standard stripes seem to be only the centre sections, while the sections at the front and back are unavailable. I would get them on mine which will go into build in the next 8 weeks most likely, but cannot seem to specify them
Old 01-15-2023 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban

two big things keeping us happy and driving NA GT cars:

electric macan raises fleet MPG average

porsche developing synthetic fuels
There we go!! a clue for NA folks
Old 01-15-2023 | 04:21 PM
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Only place Porsche falls short in turbo space is redline. Never understood why they capped GT2 RS redline at 7,200 when Ferrari running 8,500. Left so much power on the table, not to mention character.

296 is a very impressive car and far more engaging than any Fiat I’ve driven to date. Best sound from a road-legal turbo engine ever. Hybrid is more novelty than anything else but fun to play with around town. Me, I’d skip the hybrid and save the 100kg, but car companies today feel the need to stroke the woke.

No reason Porsche couldn’t get to 800hp on next GT2 RS if they get the redline to 8,500. Heck, they could just slap on bigger turbos and intercoolers and hit those numbers. Either way, the car would be insane combined with 992 RS aero. Going to make for staggering offs.

As for 3RS being underpowered, meh. This car is closer to a Cup car than any GT3 to date, and having owned multiple Cups, that’s plenty for me. Go back and watch Bergmeister fling the car around Silverstone and The Ring and tell me you seriously think you need more power. The only thing we all need is more coaching and track time.

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Old 01-15-2023 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizer
Only place Porsche falls short in turbo space is redline. Never understood why they capped GT2 RS redline at 7,200 when Ferrari running 8,500. Left so much power on the table, not to mention character.

296 is a very impressive car and far more engaging than any Fiat I’ve driven to date. Best sound from a road-legal turbo engine ever. Hybrid is more novelty than anything else but fun to play with around town. Me, I’d skip the hybrid and save the 100kg, but car companies today feel the need to stroke the woke.

No reason Porsche couldn’t get to 800hp on next GT2 RS if they get the redline to 8,500. Heck, they could just slap on bigger turbos and intercoolers and hit those numbers. Either way, the car would be staggering combined with 992 RS aero. Going to make for staggering offs.

As for 3RS being underpowered, meh. This car is closer to a Cup car than any GT3 to date, and having owned multiple Cups, that’s plenty for me. Go back and watch Bergmeister fling the car around Silverstone and The Ring and tell me you seriously think you need more power. The only thing we all need is more coaching and track time.
An 800+ HP 992 GT2RS with the 992 GT3RS aero will result in some spectacular crashes for the folks that push the car too much and run out of skill.
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Old 01-15-2023 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban
re: FI engines vs NA engines, engine displacement etc

turbo engines have a non linear relationship to MPG - this allows for more electrical greenwashing from the ecu at normal speeds. off boost, they don't use a lot of fuel. they're much more programmable to pass EPA/CARB/ EURO5/6/7 standards which generally don't involve huge acceleration or crazy high speeds.

a smaller turbo engine running in eco mode is not the same as that same engine in corsa mode under full load. the 296 and ford gt get atrocious MPG when pushed to max output. but coast along in 7th gear at 75mph at low revs.

GT3/3RS has a much more linear relationship and they don't feature a lot of MPG tricks like cylinder deactivation (which works really well on pedestrian v8 suvs) - the "decent highway miles" on a GT3 are from super tall gears and super high compression. being pie in the sky about a 4.25/4.5 type engine in a GT3 is fun- but we are in a "no free lunches" zone. m

price goes way up while HP goes up slightly. EPA pressure goes way up if fuel efficiency ticks up slightly. same for weight loss or active aero stuff. diminishing returns and porsche is a for profit company.

two big things keeping us happy and driving NA GT cars:

electric macan raises fleet MPG average

porsche developing synthetic fuels
I for one am excited about the upcoming Macan EV BUT I'll wait to buy the 2nd model year to make sure they work out all of the gremlins from the first model year car like they did with the Taycan.
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Old 01-15-2023 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jo_ker
you sir. own the 3rd customer car worldwide which i know (and i‘m 100% sure).

1) monaco GER plates
2) GER guy who already removed the rear „blanket insulators“ around the cage 😍
3) Dante above. congrats again!! and thank you for some „real meat“ within this thread. pls keep it incoming 🙏🏻🥳

all three are „white“/red
wow..quite surprising since I'm not a VIP client
many thanks, very kind of you...I will post my driving impressions
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Old 01-16-2023 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jo_ker
you sir. own the 3rd customer car worldwide which i know (and i‘m 100% sure).

1) monaco GER plates
2) GER guy who already removed the rear „blanket insulators“ around the cage 😍
3) Dante above. congrats again!! and thank you for some „real meat“ within this thread. pls keep it incoming 🙏🏻🥳

all three are „white“/red
Any pics of the 2nd one without the insulation?


Old 01-16-2023 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 911Vintage
Any pics of the 2nd one without the insulation?
i don´t want to post them. because its from a privat whatsapp group.
those are no good pics so or so.

maybe i will do it on mine too. to get a bit of GT4RS and 992Cup interiour sound scenery
Old 01-16-2023 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jo_ker
i don´t want to post them. because its from a privat whatsapp group.
those are no good pics so or so.

maybe i will do it on mine too. to get a bit of GT4RS and 992Cup interiour sound scenery
ok, no prob.

It was often seen on 997 RSs at Francorchamps/Nordschleife. Very cup-car like.
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Harris with some tidbits on 991 vs 992:

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Old 01-18-2023 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizer
Harris with some tidbits on 991 vs 992:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnjwO...d=MWI4MTIyMDE=
Sounds like he has two similar cars, 991 and 992, he’s created a bit of drama (we all know he’s getting a GT4RS) he needs the cash to get it, so he sells the 992, and it creates publicity for his Auction site. This is an advertisement
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Old 01-18-2023 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmos
Sounds like he has two similar cars, 991 and 992, he’s created a bit of drama (we all know he’s getting a GT4RS) he needs the cash to get it, so he sells the 992, and it creates publicity for his Auction site. This is an advertisement
Plus im sure the 992 will net him a profit. Whereas the 991.2 with 50-60k miles wont. Chris Harris the flipper???
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Old 01-18-2023 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizer
Harris with some tidbits on 991 vs 992:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnjwO...d=MWI4MTIyMDE=
Makes me feel uneasy when someone who already has so much access to a brand, clearly being a VIP, comes out whining that he can’t get his GT4RS with all the options HE exactly so demands.


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