992 GT3RS
#5401
to bad AP is driving the white/green one in the forest - instead of bringing it ALSO to Indianapolis Motor Speedway for the annual Sports Car Together Fest...
maybe there where also other shedules for this car in EU....
maybe there where also other shedules for this car in EU....
#5402
Last edited by disden; 09-08-2022 at 06:58 AM.
#5404
Had a long in-person talk with the sales manager at a Porsche dealership today. Some things he said:
- Allocations for new Porsches are generally hard to get, not just for the GT cars. Porsche is just not making enough cars, supply chains remain screwed up.
- He thinks ADM amounts are ridiculous, but ADM is entirely driven by what people are willing to pay, so he 'blames' customers for ADM (quite correctly). Some people are either desperate to get a car, or just don't care about paying tens of thousands of dollars in ADM.
- 992.1 RS allocations will be very hard to get for a while. I'm on the list, but not expecting to get an allocation. 992.2 RS is expected, and will likely be a better car, and those allocations may be a little easier to get.
- He expects that only a tiny fraction of 992 RS cars will see the track, and will instead be mainly cars & coffee cars, taken there to show off. He thinks that's a real shame.
- In his opinion, the high point for 911 RS cars was the 991.
- Allocations for new Porsches are generally hard to get, not just for the GT cars. Porsche is just not making enough cars, supply chains remain screwed up.
- He thinks ADM amounts are ridiculous, but ADM is entirely driven by what people are willing to pay, so he 'blames' customers for ADM (quite correctly). Some people are either desperate to get a car, or just don't care about paying tens of thousands of dollars in ADM.
- 992.1 RS allocations will be very hard to get for a while. I'm on the list, but not expecting to get an allocation. 992.2 RS is expected, and will likely be a better car, and those allocations may be a little easier to get.
- He expects that only a tiny fraction of 992 RS cars will see the track, and will instead be mainly cars & coffee cars, taken there to show off. He thinks that's a real shame.
- In his opinion, the high point for 911 RS cars was the 991.
The 992.2 does intrigue me, but not sure if I want to chance it and hold out. As long as I can get any double wishbone RS variant, I'll be happy. Same with the 991 RS as I look back. I'd be perfectly happy with either of those cars. In fact, part of me sort of is looking back and wondering if I should just buy a 991 RS and build it up like I want to.
If I was in an area that dealers required ridiculous ADM's, I would 100% be skipping the 992 RS and just buy a 991 and call it a day. No F-ing way I'm paying a penny over MSRP. Everybody in the chain already makes plenty off the RS.
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Manifold (09-08-2022)
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Interesting. I'm lucky in that my dealer never requires ADM's. They know I'm a hardcore track guy, and that's honestly why I think I'll get one of the allocations. They know the few other allocations will go to cars-n-coffee guys, but they have to sell to them because they are either VIP customers, or long-time buyers with more history than me. I'm not one of those customers who are constantly getting on a "list" for every car that comes out. When I come to my dealer to talk about a car, then they know I must be serious. That's how I got my GT4 and GT3 previously.
The 992.2 does intrigue me, but not sure if I want to chance it and hold out. As long as I can get any double wishbone RS variant, I'll be happy. Same with the 991 RS as I look back. I'd be perfectly happy with either of those cars. In fact, part of me sort of is looking back and wondering if I should just buy a 991 RS and build it up like I want to.
If I was in an area that dealers required ridiculous ADM's, I would 100% be skipping the 992 RS and just buy a 991 and call it a day. No F-ing way I'm paying a penny over MSRP. Everybody in the chain already makes plenty off the RS.
The 992.2 does intrigue me, but not sure if I want to chance it and hold out. As long as I can get any double wishbone RS variant, I'll be happy. Same with the 991 RS as I look back. I'd be perfectly happy with either of those cars. In fact, part of me sort of is looking back and wondering if I should just buy a 991 RS and build it up like I want to.
If I was in an area that dealers required ridiculous ADM's, I would 100% be skipping the 992 RS and just buy a 991 and call it a day. No F-ing way I'm paying a penny over MSRP. Everybody in the chain already makes plenty off the RS.
#5406
We seem to think alike. I did a search for used 991 RSs yesterday, and they pretty much all have very low miles (most probably never tracked) but the asking prices seem way too high in this market. I may just have to be content with our 991.1 GT3 and 981 GT4 and sit tight until market conditions enable getting the car I want at a reasonable price. I can 'afford' to waste money and overpay for cars, but I don't want to, and am generally a patient person. You're right that Porsche and the dealers are already making a lot of money at MSRP, and I have no interest in helping flippers make a lot of money.
For sure, the 991RS is aesthetically much more appealing, to me, than the 992RS. It's just a better looking car, but those double wishbones and adjustable shocks on the 992 are honestly what have me holding out to see what the hype is all about. I haven't driven a 992 GT3, but my buddy has a 6pd and I rode in it, and the front feels glued to the road. Need those journalist reviews stat!
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Manifold (09-08-2022)
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I think as the supply chain slowly continues to catch the car market back up, and the new RS's start hitting the ground here in the US, we'll see 991 RS prices continue to soften as they continue sitting for sale. Alot of cars-n-coffee and flipper sellers trying to "get out" while the market is still "high" too. Don't blame them, and while there will certainly be buyers, I'm like you, patient. I won't get the first allocation at my dealer, so gives me plenty of time to see how the market continues to develop.
For sure, the 991RS is aesthetically much more appealing, to me, than the 992RS. It's just a better looking car, but those double wishbones and adjustable shocks on the 992 are honestly what have me holding out to see what the hype is all about. I haven't driven a 992 GT3, but my buddy has a 6pd and I rode in it, and the front feels glued to the road. Need those journalist reviews stat!
For sure, the 991RS is aesthetically much more appealing, to me, than the 992RS. It's just a better looking car, but those double wishbones and adjustable shocks on the 992 are honestly what have me holding out to see what the hype is all about. I haven't driven a 992 GT3, but my buddy has a 6pd and I rode in it, and the front feels glued to the road. Need those journalist reviews stat!
- Aesthetics are compromised for the sake of aero.
- Lack of frunk is not ideal.
- Problem with hot air blowing into the cabin with windows down.
- Tire wear (and cost) possibly much faster because of the downforce.
- Ride on the road may be hard to tolerate even with softest damping.
- Proper race car would safer on track if wanting to go really fast.
- 992.2 RS may be a better car.
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Mavzyx (09-08-2022)
#5408
And for those of use who can't get a 992.1 RS, there are some reasons to think that may be ok:
- Aesthetics are compromised for the sake of aero.
- Lack of frunk is not ideal.
- Problem with hot air blowing into the cabin with windows down.
- Tire wear (and cost) possibly much faster because of the downforce.
- Ride on the road may be hard to tolerate even with softest damping.
- Proper race car would safer on track if wanting to go really fast.
- 992.2 RS may be a better car.
- Aesthetics are compromised for the sake of aero.
- Lack of frunk is not ideal.
- Problem with hot air blowing into the cabin with windows down.
- Tire wear (and cost) possibly much faster because of the downforce.
- Ride on the road may be hard to tolerate even with softest damping.
- Proper race car would safer on track if wanting to go really fast.
- 992.2 RS may be a better car.
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tgibrit (09-08-2022)
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#5411
I generally agree, with the exception of the new double wishbones. They make a nice improvement on road and track and remove one of the niggling concerns with the strut suspension (can punch front suspension right through the chassis if you hit a big enough pothole or track curbing).
#5412
Wonder how those posers will enjoy driving the car to and from C&C or will they just trailer the car there? haha You couldn't pay me enough to go to a C&C, rather hit the canyons or the track.
#5413
How many days out of 365 days per year do you track your existing gt car? What’s the % time on track, less then 2%?
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I used to do about 50 track days a year, not nearly as much these days.
My GT3 has many thousands of track miles on it, and the road miles are mostly from driving to/from the track. Similar pattern of use for the GT4, and pattern of use will be the same for any future GT car.
For mainly road use, there are much better choices than GT cars.
Couldn’t care less about what people I think of me based on the car I bring to C&C. Posing is posing.