1985fordltd

New here, considering my first Porsche. I saw this news yesterday in a variety of places:

https://www.motor1.com/news/424023/n...lly-aspirated/

...suggesting that the new 911's just can fit a normally-aspirated engine. What confuses me is that this seems to be at odds with what everyone has been saying about the upcoming GT3, that all the recorded testing track noises have clearly been a non-turbo engine.

Am I misreading the news from yesterday? I'm new to Porsche and I don't understand if "Carrera" is a designation just used for a subset of the 911's, or if it refers to all 911 variants.

I'm in a position where I'm deciding whether to go for a GT4 or hold out for a GT3. But my ideal is a manual without turbos.

thigos

Carerra is a subset of 911's. They are the entry into the 911 range. There has been significant hypothesizing that Porsche could put the new 4.0 from the gt4 etc into a 911. Porsche is denying that that will happen, however that doesn't mean that it wont at some point (seems the perfect motor to fit the ethos of the Carerra T successor).. The GT3 cars are a separate product within the 911 range and will remain NA. Welcome to the forum!!

1985fordltd

Thanks @thigos. Funny, I spent like 15 minutes googling "Are all 911's carreras" and variations of that, but couldn't find a straight answer.

My inclination is to wait, assuming the GT3 will be orderable sometime this year. My local small-town dealer expects just 1 allocation, and I'll have that spot whenever/if it happens.

This is unlikely to be a track car for me, more backroads. So I'm also thinking manual transmission and NA for fun and nostalgia's sake. The stick seems to be another unknown variable at this point.

GrantG

The answer to that question depends on the vintage. In the early years, Carrera was a special higher performance 911 (and 356, 904, and others before that).

Since model year 1984, Carrera has been used to describe the base (lowest performing) 911.

haen

GT3 will be NA.

The 9A2 Evo engine (the 4.0 in the GT4) will find its way into the 992 at a later date. Porsche just wants customer attention focused on cars that are currently on sale.

Chris3963

No it won’t. Walliser stated this week that the 4.0l motor in the 718 will not fit in the 992 and as a result Porsche have no plan to release a NA 992 other than the GT3 cars.

1985fordltd

Yeah, this is what led me to post this thread. It's very confusing.

haen

I'm predicting that Porsche will "discover" that the engine fits at a later date.

thigos

Porsche also claimed that the 3.8 NA motor wouldn't fit in the 981. Next thing you know "voila" it suddenly fits.

GrantG

The 4.0L motor in the 718 GT4/GTS/Spyder is not related to the 4.0L motor in the GT3 and RS...

erik_plus8

I very much doubt Porsche would have spent the R&D money required for the new 4.0 only to install it just in GT4/Spyder/GTS4.0. I also think it will fit in 911, in a year or two. When thinking about it, didn't they unveil the 991.2GT3 and T at the same time? Maybe something similar for the 992 is planned: the GT3 and an N/A T, hand in hand to the world... Two 4.0l N/A cars at the same time, at different price points. Pick your weapon!

GrantG

The 911T was a very low volume model (lower than most limited editions). I don’t think it would have changed the economics very much in the business case to build the 718 4.0L

erik_plus8

You're probably right about that. I was thinking - once installed in a 911 the N/A 4.0 engine could easily be used in other variants. Here's hoping it will!

JMartinni

I assume it's just a translation issue or Walliser not expressing himself quite right. Ultimately what he's saying is that they're not willing to spend money on developing the engine further for a Carrera 4.0 NA, not that it's impossible because the engine doesn't fit. The footprint of the 9A2evo 4.0 won't be (much) larger than the 9A2evo 3.0 or 3.8 biturbo in the Carrera/Turbo - probably the opposite.

Guest89

He speaks English quite well, so I wouldn’t assume it was a misunderstanding.