991.2 GTS w/ SPASM - Front Axle lift or no??
#16
I added the FAL to my build. I don't expect to use it a lot, but occasionally. I previously scraped my Panamera once in a while. Always made me cringe. I don't track my car, so the weight was a non issue. And truthfully, I'm pretty sure I couldn't tell the difference of an extra 10 lbs or whatever the system weighs, so I don't get fussed about it. I understand the replaceability and cost argument of the front splitter, but for convenience and potentially avoiding that awful feeling from scraping, I'd rather just add it and in the long term I won't remember the cost difference.
#17
Thanks again. Appreciate all your advice.
So do i have this right??
If i press comfort PASM setting, I'm at 'x' ride height.
If i engage SPASM sport setting, I'm at x -20 mm? Or is it -10mm?
So if i am in areas where dips and inclines may be risky, without a lift, i should ensure car is in comfort setting which gives me 10/20mm of lift?
Or, is the car -20mm no matter what setting i am in because it is a SPASM?
So do i have this right??
If i press comfort PASM setting, I'm at 'x' ride height.
If i engage SPASM sport setting, I'm at x -20 mm? Or is it -10mm?
So if i am in areas where dips and inclines may be risky, without a lift, i should ensure car is in comfort setting which gives me 10/20mm of lift?
Or, is the car -20mm no matter what setting i am in because it is a SPASM?
Last edited by bwiele; 07-11-2017 at 11:54 AM. Reason: typo
#18
I had my SA bring a car with SPASM and front axle lift to my office where the entry into the property and entry into the underground parkade is somewhat steep. Without using the front axle lift, the front end scraped at both locations. With the Lift engaged, no scraping when going slow. Mild scraping if going fast. The Lift also works great in parking lot speed humps.
One thing I did notice was that when the Lift is engaged, turning makes the front axle feel very unstable and almost weak so I usually disengage it as soon as I'm done using it and turn slowly.
One thing I did notice was that when the Lift is engaged, turning makes the front axle feel very unstable and almost weak so I usually disengage it as soon as I'm done using it and turn slowly.
#19
My GTS hasn't scraped yet, but shouldn't we consider the nominal cost of replacing the plastified from lip vs the cost of the front axle lift?
This assumes of course you don't already have a strong case for it (crazy driveway, super high speed bumps, etc)
This assumes of course you don't already have a strong case for it (crazy driveway, super high speed bumps, etc)
#20
If you don't have a FAL, the ride height doesn't change at all when you switch from comfort to sport mode in a SPASM car.
#21
Also, be aware that, just because you have a FAL on a SPASM car doesn't mean you won't still have to angle the car. The back end of the car also sits low and can scrape on a steep decline as well. So you need to be careful of that as well.
#22
Blazing the first car is a 991.2 Carrera S with SPASM. The Gt3 was a 997.1. Anyone who tells you they can feel the weight is full of it. Even Walter Rorhl said he couldn't feel the weight.
#23
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Thanks again. Appreciate all your advice.
So do i have this right??
If i press comfort PASM setting, I'm at 'x' ride height.
If i engage SPASM sport setting, I'm at x -20 mm? Or is it -10mm?
So if i am in areas where dips and inclines may be risky, without a lift, i should ensure car is in comfort setting which gives me 10/20mm of lift?
Or, is the car -20mm no matter what setting i am in because it is a SPASM?
So do i have this right??
If i press comfort PASM setting, I'm at 'x' ride height.
If i engage SPASM sport setting, I'm at x -20 mm? Or is it -10mm?
So if i am in areas where dips and inclines may be risky, without a lift, i should ensure car is in comfort setting which gives me 10/20mm of lift?
Or, is the car -20mm no matter what setting i am in because it is a SPASM?
#24
Ever considered the no-cost option - standard PASM?
From the config page it says
Standard Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) (10 mm lower)
Note: Selection of this option removes PASM Sport Suspension (20 mm lower) which is fitted as standard equipment on the 911 Carrera GTS coupe models.
From the config page it says
Standard Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) (10 mm lower)
Note: Selection of this option removes PASM Sport Suspension (20 mm lower) which is fitted as standard equipment on the 911 Carrera GTS coupe models.
#25
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Myself included, my Cayenne Turbo and Macan GTS both would lower ride height when you activate sport mode.
That was why i needed to confirm that a 991.x does not.
Thanks a lot!
#26
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Ever considered the no-cost option - standard PASM?
From the config page it says
Standard Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) (10 mm lower)
Note: Selection of this option removes PASM Sport Suspension (20 mm lower) which is fitted as standard equipment on the 911 Carrera GTS coupe models.
From the config page it says
Standard Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) (10 mm lower)
Note: Selection of this option removes PASM Sport Suspension (20 mm lower) which is fitted as standard equipment on the 911 Carrera GTS coupe models.
I have weighed that option and would prefer to just add front axel lift and keep SPASM than opt out and just get PASM.
But i remain open until my salesman cuts me off and says no more changes!
#27
I specced the FAL on my GTS, as no-one seemed to know exactly what ride height the car was going to come with.
Going into a nature reserve on Angelsey, there was a road about 1/2m long riddled with large speed bumps - I smugly said to my wife: “no problem, I’ll just raise the front” then pressed the button and proceeded gaily to drive right over the humps, confident that nothing was going to scrape, which it didn’t.
After I cleared the last obstacle, the Mrs observed that the car sounded a bit fruitier than before on the exhaust front, which I had to agree to. I looked down to see that instead of pressing the axle lift, I’d put the PSE into sports mode...
The moral of this story is that the GTS has much better ground clearance than you might think! On balance, however, I’m still happy that I have FAL as there are probably places where the normal suspension setup could be defeated by the road curvature.
Going into a nature reserve on Angelsey, there was a road about 1/2m long riddled with large speed bumps - I smugly said to my wife: “no problem, I’ll just raise the front” then pressed the button and proceeded gaily to drive right over the humps, confident that nothing was going to scrape, which it didn’t.
After I cleared the last obstacle, the Mrs observed that the car sounded a bit fruitier than before on the exhaust front, which I had to agree to. I looked down to see that instead of pressing the axle lift, I’d put the PSE into sports mode...
The moral of this story is that the GTS has much better ground clearance than you might think! On balance, however, I’m still happy that I have FAL as there are probably places where the normal suspension setup could be defeated by the road curvature.
#28
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I specced the FAL on my GTS, as no-one seemed to know exactly what ride height the car was going to come with.
Going into a nature reserve on Angelsey, there was a road about 1/2m long riddled with large speed bumps - I smugly said to my wife: “no problem, I’ll just raise the front” then pressed the button and proceeded gaily to drive right over the humps, confident that nothing was going to scrape, which it didn’t.
After I cleared the last obstacle, the Mrs observed that the car sounded a bit fruitier than before on the exhaust front, which I had to agree to. I looked down to see that instead of pressing the axle lift, I’d put the PSE into sports mode...
The moral of this story is that the GTS has much better ground clearance than you might think! On balance, however, I’m still happy that I have FAL as there are probably places where the normal suspension setup could be defeated by the road curvature.
Going into a nature reserve on Angelsey, there was a road about 1/2m long riddled with large speed bumps - I smugly said to my wife: “no problem, I’ll just raise the front” then pressed the button and proceeded gaily to drive right over the humps, confident that nothing was going to scrape, which it didn’t.
After I cleared the last obstacle, the Mrs observed that the car sounded a bit fruitier than before on the exhaust front, which I had to agree to. I looked down to see that instead of pressing the axle lift, I’d put the PSE into sports mode...
The moral of this story is that the GTS has much better ground clearance than you might think! On balance, however, I’m still happy that I have FAL as there are probably places where the normal suspension setup could be defeated by the road curvature.
Ha....probably so many others can relate!
Really appreciate you sharing!
#29
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Great info and good point! Thanks
#30
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update on my order....
I have changed my order today to ADD Front Axle Lift system (FAL).
This has been a great thread with great info and i sure appreciate it.
Main reason for change of order:
--I'm moving from MN to Michigan two weeks from now. I would rather increase the budget by 2500 and have it if i need it, vs. scrape and replace bumper lips and not able to add it after the fact (easily).
--That and the OCD would kill me during this 90-day wait.
Basically, too many unknowns for where i will live and drive in Michigan.
I have changed my order today to ADD Front Axle Lift system (FAL).
This has been a great thread with great info and i sure appreciate it.
Main reason for change of order:
--I'm moving from MN to Michigan two weeks from now. I would rather increase the budget by 2500 and have it if i need it, vs. scrape and replace bumper lips and not able to add it after the fact (easily).
--That and the OCD would kill me during this 90-day wait.
Basically, too many unknowns for where i will live and drive in Michigan.