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Old 05-20-2017, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Grunty
I don't understand what is happening in this picture. Does the guy have a flamethrower in his pants?
The car has a flame thrower underneath it. When a "bad guy" comes to carjack you, you hit a button and flames spew from underneath the car engulfing the assailant.
Old 05-20-2017, 12:19 PM
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Hmmm... both cameras look as if they were not mounted but hand held (observe the motion). Was this staged?
Old 05-20-2017, 12:33 PM
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We have some close friends who moved from SA to Canada 7 years ago with their two young daughters. When we first met them, we went to a splash pad ata local community centre and the mother was amazed that it was not gated and that people left their day packs just sitting on a bench while their children payed. She also commented that she was surprised that all the houses didn't have locked gates around their properties. After seeing this video, I'm reminded of how lucky we are in most places in North America.
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Originally Posted by kayjh
We have some close friends who moved from SA to Canada 7 years ago with their two young daughters. When we first met them, we went to a splash pad ata local community centre and the mother was amazed that it was not gated and that people left their day packs just sitting on a bench while their children payed. She also commented that she was surprised that all the houses didn't have locked gates around their properties. After seeing this video, I'm reminded of how lucky we are in most places in North America.
So true!
Old 05-20-2017, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by clutchplate
Hmmm... both cameras look as if they were not mounted but hand held (observe the motion). Was this staged?
That is an interesting observation. But who would stage the robbery and then damage his 911? What would be the purpose?
Old 05-20-2017, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by clutchplate
Hmmm... both cameras look as if they were not mounted but hand held (observe the motion). Was this staged?
Originally Posted by subshooter
That is an interesting observation. But who would stage the robbery and then damage his 911? What would be the purpose?
I don't think it's staged. Maybe what you are observing is someone recording (let's say with their cell phone, hence the handheld) off of a screen. I don't think it's a direct recording.
Old 05-21-2017, 12:38 AM
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This video got me a little nervous since I am going to be driving through eastern Europe in 6 weeks so I looked up some defensive measures. From the Department of State Web Site:

https://www.state.gov/m/ds/rls/rpt/19782.htm

CARJACKING has become one of the most prevalent crimes in many parts of the world. Most carjackings occur for the sole purpose of taking the car; it is a crime without a political agenda and does not specifically target Americans.
You can protect yourself by becoming familiar with the methods, ruses, and locations commonly used by carjackers.

AVOIDANCE

The first step to avoiding an attack is to stay alert at all times and be aware of your environment. The most likely places for a carjacking are:

High crime areas
Lesser traveled roads (rural areas)
Intersections where you must stop
Isolated areas in parking lots
Residential driveways and gates
Traffic jams or congested areas
Learn to avoid these areas and situations if possible. If not, take steps to prevent an attack.

In traffic, look around for possible avenues of escape. Keep some distance between you and the vehicle in front so you can maneuver easily if necessary--about one-half of your vehicle's length. (You should always be able to see the rear tires of the vehicle in front of you.)

When stopped, use your rear and side view mirrors to stay aware of your surroundings. Also keep your doors locked and windows up. This increases your safety and makes it more difficult for an attacker to surprise you.

Accidents are one ruse used by attackers to control a victim. Following are common attack plans:

The Bump—The attacker bumps the victim's vehicle from behind. The victim gets out to assess the damage and exchange information. The victim's vehicle is taken.

Good Samaritan—The attacker(s) stage what appears to be an accident. They may simulate an injury. The victim stops to assist, and the vehicle is taken.

The Ruse—The vehicle behind the victim flashes its lights or the driver waves to get the victim's attention. The attacker tries to indicate that there is a problem with the victim's car. The victim pulls over and the vehicle is taken.

The Trap—Carjackers use surveillance to follow the victim home. When the victim pulls into his or her driveway waiting for the gate to open, the attacker pulls up behind and blocks the victim's car.

If you are bumped from behind or if someone tries to alert you to a problem with your vehicle, pull over only when you reach a safe public place.

If you are driving into a gated community, call ahead to have the gate opened. Otherwise wait on the street until the gate is open before turning in and possibly getting trapped.

Think before stopping to assist in an accident. It may be safer to call and report the location, number of cars involved, and any injuries you observed.

You can avoid becoming a victim. Ruses and methods, as well as the types of cars most often targeted, differ from country to country. Talk with the regional security officer (RSO) at your post about local scams and accident procedures.

In all cases keep your cell phone or radio with you and immediately alert someone regarding your situation.

DURING A CARJACKING

In most carjacking situations, the attackers are interested only in the vehicle. Try to stay calm. Do not stare at the attacker as this may seem aggressive and cause them to harm you.

There are two options during an attack--nonresistive, nonconfrontational behavior and resistive or confrontational behavior. Your reaction should be based on certain factors:

Type of attack
Environment (isolated or public)
Mental state of attacker (reasonable or nervous)
Number of attackers
Weapons
Whether children are present
In the nonconfrontational situation, you would:

give up the vehicle freely.
listen carefully to all directions.
make no quick or sudden movements that the attacker could construe as a counter attack.
always keeps your hands in plain view. Tell the attacker of every move in advance.
make the attacker aware if children are present. The attacker may be focused only on the driver and not know children are in the car.
In a resistive or confrontational response, you would make a decision to escape or attack the carjacker. Before doing so, consider:

the mental state of the attacker.
possible avenues of escape.
the number of attackers; there is usually more than one.
the use of weapons. (Weapons are used in the majority of carjacking situations.)
In most instances, it is probably safest to give up your vehicle.



AFTER THE ATTACK

Safety
Always carry a cell phone or radio on your person.

If you are in a populated area, immediately go to a safe place. After an attack or an attempted attack, you might not be focused on your safety. Get to a safe place before contacting someone to report the incident.

Reporting the Crime
Describe the event. What time of day did it occur? Where did it happen? How did it happen? Who was involved?

Describe the attacker(s). Without staring, try to note height, weight, scars or other marks, hair and eye color, the presence of facial hair, build (slender, large), and complexion (dark, fair).

Describe the attacker's vehicle. If possible get the vehicle license number, color, make, model, and year, as well as any marks (scratches, dents, damage) and personal decorations (stickers, colored wheels).

The golden rule for descriptions is to give only that information you absolutely remember. If you are not sure, don't guess!



CONCLUSION

Avoidance is the best way to prevent an attack. Use your judgment to evaluate the situation and possible reactions. Know safe areas to go to in an emergency. Always carry your cell phone or radio.

Nonconfrontation is often the best response. The objective is not to thwart the criminal but to survive!
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Originally Posted by subshooter
This video got me a little nervous since I am going to be driving through eastern Europe in 6 weeks so I looked up some defensive measures. From the Department of State Web Site:

https://www.state.gov/m/ds/rls/rpt/19782.htm

CARJACKING has become one of the most prevalent crimes in many parts of the world. Most carjackings occur for the sole purpose of taking the car; it is a crime without a political agenda and does not specifically target Americans.
You can protect yourself by becoming familiar with the methods, ruses, and locations commonly used by carjackers.

AVOIDANCE

The first step to avoiding an attack is to stay alert at all times and be aware of your environment. The most likely places for a carjacking are:

High crime areas
Lesser traveled roads (rural areas)
Intersections where you must stop
Isolated areas in parking lots
Residential driveways and gates
Traffic jams or congested areas
Learn to avoid these areas and situations if possible. If not, take steps to prevent an attack.

In traffic, look around for possible avenues of escape. Keep some distance between you and the vehicle in front so you can maneuver easily if necessary--about one-half of your vehicle's length. (You should always be able to see the rear tires of the vehicle in front of you.)

When stopped, use your rear and side view mirrors to stay aware of your surroundings. Also keep your doors locked and windows up. This increases your safety and makes it more difficult for an attacker to surprise you.

Accidents are one ruse used by attackers to control a victim. Following are common attack plans:

The Bump—The attacker bumps the victim's vehicle from behind. The victim gets out to assess the damage and exchange information. The victim's vehicle is taken.

Good Samaritan—The attacker(s) stage what appears to be an accident. They may simulate an injury. The victim stops to assist, and the vehicle is taken.

The Ruse—The vehicle behind the victim flashes its lights or the driver waves to get the victim's attention. The attacker tries to indicate that there is a problem with the victim's car. The victim pulls over and the vehicle is taken.

The Trap—Carjackers use surveillance to follow the victim home. When the victim pulls into his or her driveway waiting for the gate to open, the attacker pulls up behind and blocks the victim's car.

If you are bumped from behind or if someone tries to alert you to a problem with your vehicle, pull over only when you reach a safe public place.

If you are driving into a gated community, call ahead to have the gate opened. Otherwise wait on the street until the gate is open before turning in and possibly getting trapped.

Think before stopping to assist in an accident. It may be safer to call and report the location, number of cars involved, and any injuries you observed.

You can avoid becoming a victim. Ruses and methods, as well as the types of cars most often targeted, differ from country to country. Talk with the regional security officer (RSO) at your post about local scams and accident procedures.

In all cases keep your cell phone or radio with you and immediately alert someone regarding your situation.

DURING A CARJACKING

In most carjacking situations, the attackers are interested only in the vehicle. Try to stay calm. Do not stare at the attacker as this may seem aggressive and cause them to harm you.

There are two options during an attack--nonresistive, nonconfrontational behavior and resistive or confrontational behavior. Your reaction should be based on certain factors:

Type of attack
Environment (isolated or public)
Mental state of attacker (reasonable or nervous)
Number of attackers
Weapons
Whether children are present
In the nonconfrontational situation, you would:

give up the vehicle freely.
listen carefully to all directions.
make no quick or sudden movements that the attacker could construe as a counter attack.
always keeps your hands in plain view. Tell the attacker of every move in advance.
make the attacker aware if children are present. The attacker may be focused only on the driver and not know children are in the car.
In a resistive or confrontational response, you would make a decision to escape or attack the carjacker. Before doing so, consider:

the mental state of the attacker.
possible avenues of escape.
the number of attackers; there is usually more than one.
the use of weapons. (Weapons are used in the majority of carjacking situations.)
In most instances, it is probably safest to give up your vehicle.



AFTER THE ATTACK

Safety
Always carry a cell phone or radio on your person.

If you are in a populated area, immediately go to a safe place. After an attack or an attempted attack, you might not be focused on your safety. Get to a safe place before contacting someone to report the incident.

Reporting the Crime
Describe the event. What time of day did it occur? Where did it happen? How did it happen? Who was involved?

Describe the attacker(s). Without staring, try to note height, weight, scars or other marks, hair and eye color, the presence of facial hair, build (slender, large), and complexion (dark, fair).

Describe the attacker's vehicle. If possible get the vehicle license number, color, make, model, and year, as well as any marks (scratches, dents, damage) and personal decorations (stickers, colored wheels).

The golden rule for descriptions is to give only that information you absolutely remember. If you are not sure, don't guess!



CONCLUSION

Avoidance is the best way to prevent an attack. Use your judgment to evaluate the situation and possible reactions. Know safe areas to go to in an emergency. Always carry your cell phone or radio.

Nonconfrontation is often the best response. The objective is not to thwart the criminal but to survive!
Good info...I would suggest you follow it AND 1st thing you should do is remove that long post on your sig detailing all of your travel plans! While its not a precise itinerary of your travels it's enough for a well organized criminal gang such as the type that frequent the Eastern block nations and others in Europe to possible get a little more details on your planned trip than you would like and maybe plan a rendez-vous with you and the Mrs that you'd rather not like and would want to avoid.

Avoid the predictable is defense #1 in counter-terrorism/asset prevention guys. The bad guys can plan ahead if you don't follow the plan. This is one thing that drives me crazy about my daughter and her fellow friends and their almost religious interaction with twitter/facebook/snapchat/IG and other forms of social medial...if I wanted to stalk or find any of them it would be easy enough with 101 characters and geo-location of a few pics and/or posts! Not everything needs to be posted to the world...in light of this RL's fears I'd remove the by country itinerary immediately!
Old 05-21-2017, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bkrantz
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Hilarious. But in the US, barbecuing the carjacker would only attract more sharks trying to steal your stuff...ie lawyers.
Old 05-21-2017, 01:16 PM
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I used to travel to South Africa a few years ago when it was part of a regional role I had.

The first time I was there the 16 year old kids in the hotel parking lot were there for "my safety". The automatic weapons around their shoulders did not make me feel safe.

The local manager I worked with collected guns. He casually told me that he could drive 10 minutes from the office and buy an AK47 for the price of a McDonalds.

As for car-jacking.....I was told about exactly this kind of armed jacking one morning in response to "how was your weekend". It was nonchalantly told as something that just happens around here.

GM lived in a beautiful home....surrounded by fences, guards, guns.....couldn't go out with an escort.

Not my idea of life, but for many, its simply what they know.
Old 05-21-2017, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by spiderv6
I used to travel to South Africa a few years ago when it was part of a regional role I had.

The first time I was there the 16 year old kids in the hotel parking lot were there for "my safety". The automatic weapons around their shoulders did not make me feel safe.

The local manager I worked with collected guns. He casually told me that he could drive 10 minutes from the office and buy an AK47 for the price of a McDonalds.

As for car-jacking.....I was told about exactly this kind of armed jacking one morning in response to "how was your weekend". It was nonchalantly told as something that just happens around here.

GM lived in a beautiful home....surrounded by fences, guards, guns.....couldn't go out with an escort.

Not my idea of life, but for many, its simply what they know.
Unless you stayed in Hillbrow (Crime ridden) I doubt it needed to be that extreme.

I lived my entire life in SA, moved to Dubai three months ago. Biggest reason was the crime. Yes its out of control and no that wasn't staged. The owner has CCTV Cameras installed in his house.

The crime is bad, but if you stay out of the dodgy areas you will be fine (have never been a victim of violent crime)

You just need to have your wits about you thats all. Its a pity as SA had so much potential and if things change i.e. the Corrupt Government then it might come right in 10-15 years.



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