Purchase Advice
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Purchase Advice
Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm in the market to buy my first 911. I have no intention of buying new because I don't want to take that 1st yr depreciation hit. Unlike some, I'm indifferent on .1 vs .2 and am more focused on finding the right build and the best value. Setting aside the differences of the two cars, I'd like anyone's thoughts on the value side of the equation. I know every deal is different, but it appears to my untrained eye that 15 and 16 .1s are really holding their value and not much cheaper than a used 17.
Two questions really:
1. Opinions on the resale value of the .1 vs .2...in other words (speculating of course) 2-3 yrs from now will the .2 be holding up as well as the .1 seems to be?
2. If you had $90-95kish to spend, would you go with a .2 base C2 or .1 S model?
Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Greg
Two questions really:
1. Opinions on the resale value of the .1 vs .2...in other words (speculating of course) 2-3 yrs from now will the .2 be holding up as well as the .1 seems to be?
2. If you had $90-95kish to spend, would you go with a .2 base C2 or .1 S model?
Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Greg
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The .2 resale value is always going to be higher due to it being a new model. I understand the .1 is the last of the NA but I doubt the .1 will out beat a .2 in resale.
if your only spending 90-95k then you won't have much for any options at all on a base .2. Your best bet would be to get a well equipped .1S.
if your only spending 90-95k then you won't have much for any options at all on a base .2. Your best bet would be to get a well equipped .1S.
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2-3 years from now there will be a new model in place and the car you buy today will be worth 60k, doubt there will be a significant difference between your 3/4 yr old .2 base or your 4/5 yr old .1 S at that point. Get what you like best
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Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm in the market to buy my first 911. I have no intention of buying new because I don't want to take that 1st yr depreciation hit. Unlike some, I'm indifferent on .1 vs .2 and am more focused on finding the right build and the best value. Setting aside the differences of the two cars, I'd like anyone's thoughts on the value side of the equation. I know every deal is different, but it appears to my untrained eye that 15 and 16 .1s are really holding their value and not much cheaper than a used 17.
Two questions really:
1. Opinions on the resale value of the .1 vs .2...in other words (speculating of course) 2-3 yrs from now will the .2 be holding up as well as the .1 seems to be?
2. If you had $90-95kish to spend, would you go with a .2 base C2 or .1 S model?
Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Greg
Two questions really:
1. Opinions on the resale value of the .1 vs .2...in other words (speculating of course) 2-3 yrs from now will the .2 be holding up as well as the .1 seems to be?
2. If you had $90-95kish to spend, would you go with a .2 base C2 or .1 S model?
Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Greg
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Welcome.
1. Drive both and determine what you like the best.
2. If value is that important then IMHO the .1 will hold value better due to the depreciation already taken and depr. curve has flattened (and it's last NA). So if you like them equally then this could be a tie breaker.
3. If options are important then might be difficult to find .1 that meets your needs so this could come down to how picky you are. (see HFS thread - a lot of anxious buyers on sidelines).
I've owned the .1S with the performance features and have driven the .2 stripper, .2S loaded and have a .2 GTS4 on order. All great cars and you can't go wrong so refer back to #1 above. With all that said you are asking for a recommendation. Between a .2 C2 stripper vs. .1 C2S I'd go with the .1 (especially if first time Porsche owner).
Just my two cents.
1. Drive both and determine what you like the best.
2. If value is that important then IMHO the .1 will hold value better due to the depreciation already taken and depr. curve has flattened (and it's last NA). So if you like them equally then this could be a tie breaker.
3. If options are important then might be difficult to find .1 that meets your needs so this could come down to how picky you are. (see HFS thread - a lot of anxious buyers on sidelines).
I've owned the .1S with the performance features and have driven the .2 stripper, .2S loaded and have a .2 GTS4 on order. All great cars and you can't go wrong so refer back to #1 above. With all that said you are asking for a recommendation. Between a .2 C2 stripper vs. .1 C2S I'd go with the .1 (especially if first time Porsche owner).
Just my two cents.
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You're beginning your search at the wrong time if value is an issue. Wait till mid to late summer or fall. Prices and supply are always in the worst position for a buyer in the Spring. Been at this a long time and bought and sold more cars than i can count and it's always been true other than the most desperate of times.
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You're beginning your search at the wrong time if value is an issue. Wait till mid to late summer or fall. Prices and supply are always in the worst position for a buyer in the Spring. Been at this a long time and bought and sold more cars than i can count and it's always been true other than the most desperate of times.
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Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm in the market to buy my first 911. I have no intention of buying new because I don't want to take that 1st yr depreciation hit. Unlike some, I'm indifferent on .1 vs .2 and am more focused on finding the right build and the best value. Setting aside the differences of the two cars, I'd like anyone's thoughts on the value side of the equation. I know every deal is different, but it appears to my untrained eye that 15 and 16 .1s are really holding their value and not much cheaper than a used 17.
Two questions really:
1. Opinions on the resale value of the .1 vs .2...in other words (speculating of course) 2-3 yrs from now will the .2 be holding up as well as the .1 seems to be?
2. If you had $90-95kish to spend, would you go with a .2 base C2 or .1 S model?
Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Greg
Two questions really:
1. Opinions on the resale value of the .1 vs .2...in other words (speculating of course) 2-3 yrs from now will the .2 be holding up as well as the .1 seems to be?
2. If you had $90-95kish to spend, would you go with a .2 base C2 or .1 S model?
Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Greg
.2 base vs .1 S? Now you are asking which car do you prefer - FI or NA. Performance metrics should be very close - the base .2 might be a faster, but I don't recall. Personally, I'd go .2 base. It's like asking about your favorite color - doesn't matter what any of us like. Depends totally on whether you need to have NA.
EDIT: The .2 PCM is alot nicer too, if you care about that sort of thing.
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I appreciate the responses. I'm not naive enough to call this an investment, but being in the money business i always find myself seeking the best deal. Sounds like i should be patient as they buyer market will improve later in the summer. Gives me plenty of time to do more research and shop around. And living in CA I don't have to have urgency to buy FOR the summer. Good advice!
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If you try to limit your depreciation you have an alternative way of doing it, buy a .2 GTS new with a good discount, if you can get one, and sell it in 2-3 yrs with low miles and little to no value reduction. Apparently this has worked for the .1, will that be the case for the .2? Who knows...
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If you try to limit your depreciation you have an alternative way of doing it, buy a .2 GTS new with a good discount, if you can get one, and sell it in 2-3 yrs with low miles and little to no value reduction. Apparently this has worked for the .1, will that be the case for the .2? Who knows...
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if this is your first Porsche I would buy a base 991.2 with low miles where they can punch the warranty at time of purchase. You will get the best improve technology, turbo engine that will give you the same performance of a 991.1S. You will be the only owner and will know how the car was treated. You are buying a high performance car not a 3 Series BMW. Don't get hung up on the depreciation. If you are buying the car to keep it for at least 7 to 10 years, depreciation is meaningless. To me is more important to know that I was the first owner than how much the car will depreciate in the first or second year. I would not want to get a car with 1 or 2 years warranty left without knowing how the car was broken in and treated. There is nothing like getting a brand new car specially your first Porsche.
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The .2 resale value is always going to be higher due to it being a new model. I understand the .1 is the last of the NA but I doubt the .1 will out beat a .2 in resale.
if your only spending 90-95k then you won't have much for any options at all on a base .2. Your best bet would be to get a well equipped .1S.
if your only spending 90-95k then you won't have much for any options at all on a base .2. Your best bet would be to get a well equipped .1S.
Wrong. The 993 i older than the 996 and significantly more expensive.
Nobody really knows what is going to happen to the values of the last NA car but they are holding very steady and slightly rising in price. Eventually the 991.2 electronics will also be dated and the remaining differentiator will be the engines. The 3.8 or bullit proof and Turbos re consumables
Also - there is really no difference between a 2012.5 and 2016. 2012.5 and 13's with low mileage are a huge value right now.